[CuriousG]

Sarge thanks for the update. I run TF2 Beta and I keep my current gamedata files until changes are synchronized with the current TF2. I noticed that the only difference from my old tf2items.randomizer.txt file and the current one is CTFPlayer::RemoveWearable. Randomizer appears to be working fine with v1.54. But when I look at sourcemodplugins.org virtual table offset (thankfully he's updated the script) the gamedata for RemoveWearable matches yours. I just updated to the current smx and using your current gamedata but haven't turned on randomizer yet.

I guess my question is what are the repercussions of not having the correct value for RemoveWearable? I did keep a backup of my smx and gamedata file just in case.

[CuriousG]

*Reduced Rocket/Sticky Jumper health buff

I'm glad you did this but why are they buffed in the first place? As long as a person has a primary weapon or a workable melee, I figure it would just be considered a bad roll if there is nothing usable. It's ridiculous how many people think those weapons actually cause damage.

[Powerlord]

Originally Posted by CuriousG I'm glad you did this but why are they buffed in the first place? As long as a person has a primary weapon or a workable melee, I figure it would just be considered a bad roll if there is nothing usable. It's ridiculous how many people think those weapons actually cause damage.

OK, how about this loadout:
Rocket Jumper
Sticky Jumper
Fan-o-War

Now you have a loadout where your only attack weapon does at most 5 damage, 15 if it crits.

[FlaminSarge]

You can't roll the Rocket and Sticky Jumpers simultaneously, but RJ + Short Circuit + Fan-o-War would be nearly equivalent.

The point of the health buffs were to counteract their old damage vulnerabilities, but now that they're gone, they just provide a normal overheal (only to 350 on the Heavy) when you spawn/touch a weapons locker.

CuriousG: RemoveWearable isn't used, so don't worry about it!

Leo:

[3:27 AM] MasterOfTheXP: is there tf2ii support in randomizer? [3:27 AM] FlaminSarge: no [3:28 AM] FlaminSarge: for the sole reason it'd just be weird [3:28 AM] FlaminSarge: to manage [3:28 AM] FlaminSarge: once I rewrite how weapons are stored/chosen, then [3:28 AM] FlaminSarge: and i've got to rewrite it [3:28 AM] FlaminSarge: i'm planning on making festives/botkillers swap in for the defaults [3:28 AM] FlaminSarge: the stock weps [3:28 AM] FlaminSarge: so when that happens, then i can use tf2ii [3:29 AM] MasterOfTheXP: so each time someone rolls a stock, it could be a festive/botkiller instead? [3:29 AM] FlaminSarge: right. [3:29 AM] FlaminSarge: not "Normal" [3:29 AM] FlaminSarge: just, like "Minigun" [3:29 AM] MasterOfTheXP: yeah [3:29 AM] FlaminSarge: sorta like how the enthusiast's timepiece is right now

Otterfiend: I don't remember the question.

[CuriousG]

Originally Posted by Powerlord OK, how about this loadout: Rocket Jumper Sticky Jumper Fan-o-War Now you have a loadout where your only attack weapon does at most 5 damage, 15 if it crits.

I see your point but there are already a lot of loadouts that doesn't do much damage or you're more likely to just die anyway. Why delay the inevitable

[CuriousG]

Originally Posted by FlaminSarge You can't roll the Rocket and Sticky Jumpers simultaneously, but RJ + Short Circuit + Fan-o-War would be nearly equivalent. The point of the health buffs were to counteract their old damage vulnerabilities, but now that they're gone, they just provide a normal overheal (only to 350 on the Heavy) when you spawn/touch a weapons locker. CuriousG: RemoveWearable isn't used, so don't worry about it! Leo: Otterfiend: I don't remember the question.

Well here's my counter to that. I only put Randomizer on a modified cp_orange_x4 map that allows people to go on the roof on either base (you've played that map) with loadout medic, sticky jumper, any heatshotting sniper rifle. Anytime I get anything like that I can easily get over 50 kill streak before being killed because of the buffed health, slow regeneration of health and other team hoping they have a decent sniper if and when they get a sniper rifle.

Is there any reason why some weapons seem to reload a lot slower? This is just my observation from the previous randomizer. I've played the current one briefly and I haven't notice any difference. Could be from the lack of loadouts I've had so far.

[FlaminSarge]

Real quick tiny update to 1.56, fixed the tf2items_rnd_set command. It was wonky.

EDIT: If you downloaded right after I posted this, download it again. I messed up another part of the same command. Woops.

[Huntereb]

Oh thank the gods you fixed the thing where players only have 100 metal, it was annoying only being able to make a dispenser... And I guess since there are so many Bot killer weapons they aren't going to be introduced into Randomizer?

[11530]

Originally Posted by Huntereb Oh thank the gods you fixed the thing where players only have 100 metal, it was annoying only being able to make a dispenser... And I guess since there are so many Bot killer weapons they aren't going to be introduced into Randomizer?

Or just allow Diamond maybe.

[otterfiend]

Originally Posted by FlaminSarge Otterfiend: I don't remember the question.

Don't worry about it, my question from our steam chat was dumb and impatient.