[MrBen]

I must admit I share Checksters concerns about this.

I have great faith in SMAC these days and purposely seek out SMAC protected servers to play on (when Im having a rest from admin duties on my own). I respect server owners who have taken the initiative to seek out additional protection such as SMAC, but the thought that admins can set themselves to be immune from SMAC leaves a very bad taste in the mouth.

I'd go further to say that in my opinion it significantly lessens the credibilty of SMAC whilst such an option exists :-(

I'd also be grateful if the OP could provide a list of his servers so that I can blacklist them, as I certainly have no wish to play on them.

MrBen

[GoD-Tony]

Originally Posted by MrBen the thought that admins can set themselves to be immune from SMAC leaves a very bad taste in the mouth.

What about the thought that admins can already cheat with or without SMAC?

Using the simplest of SM plugins, they could enable admin-only features that would give them an infinite amount of advantage. Whether an SMAC immunity plugin exists or not doesn't change that fact.

There are many valid reasons for giving immunity (temporarily or otherwise) to players from SMAC. What if a server has a VIP feature that allows all VIPs to bunnyhop around the map? Or a gamemode that temporarily gives players an aimbot (yes, that exists)?

In the end, I believe that server owners can do whatever they want with their servers, and if that means all of the walls are pink and ponies are flying around, then that's up to them. Their player counts will surely reflect that.

[checkster]

Originally Posted by GoD-Tony What about the thought that admins can already cheat with or without SMAC? Using the simplest of SM plugins, they could enable admin-only features that would give them an infinite amount of advantage. Whether an SMAC immunity plugin exists or not doesn't change that fact. There are many valid reasons for giving immunity (temporarily or otherwise) to players from SMAC. What if a server has a VIP feature that allows all VIPs to bunnyhop around the map? Or a gamemode that temporarily gives players an aimbot (yes, that exists)? In the end, I believe that server owners can do whatever they want with their servers, and if that means all of the walls are pink and ponies are flying around, then that's up to them. Their player counts will surely reflect that.

This is true.
Long live admin hacks

[MrBen]

I have really strong views on this subject and I'm gutted about this latest development in SMAC, but we clearly have different opinions on
this matter, so I'll just say thanks for taking the time to reply Tony.

[thetwistedpanda]

MrBen, any server owner could easily edit SMAC with or without Tony's insight on the matter and add similar code which grants admin immunity. As it's open source, it could be edited in any manner and you would be none the wiser. Hell, I've seen a few fake "SMAC" plugins that, while appear to be valid, exist to give certain players advantages in-game so no one would know.

[GoD-Tony]

Originally Posted by MrBen I'm gutted about this latest development in SMAC

Keep in mind that the plugin posted in this thread is not an official part of SMAC, and has no plans to be. Other than that there is not much to be said, as this has been possible forever since SMAC is open-source.

Cheers.

[MrBen]

Yep, ok guys, perhaps I'm being a little naive when you factor in the open source nature of Sourcemod plugins and SMAC. But if there is one thing that winds me up more than cheaters, it's cheating admins.

Fair points made though - I'll get back in my cage.

Cheers :-)

[checkster]

Originally Posted by MrBen Yep, ok guys, perhaps I'm being a little naive when you factor in the open source nature of Sourcemod plugins and SMAC. But if there is one thing that winds me up more than cheaters, it's cheating admins. Fair points made though - I'll get back in my cage. Cheers :-)

Cheatmin = funmin

[Drixevel]

You see an admin with an Aimbot and just abusing like crazy in the server you're playing on? leave. It's what I do and I tell people to leave if they don't like the way we do things. The disconnect button exists and people should use it more often. SMAC is built so people use it less often on your servers if you install it.