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CS-A-Roland
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Old 08-11-2012 , 09:21   Re: i cant understand...
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@ matsi

Your contribution to this post is, lets approve all buggy plugins from all nice "developers" and give them karma for fame and a good feeling?!
Do you know that counterstrike and much other games based on a game named halflife?! Do you know about the steps wich are taken by the beta parts and how long they test it with the community?!
i dont think so... and hey... at this time there where NO AMX... got it?!

@ matsi & Mordekay
And test's should do by the "community", after 10 or 15 people wich say its ok and works it should do it! After a "update" again...
At first they will use it longer than a week when they install it...
Second reason for it is that they will be more than one guy wich test it in a full way... (checking log's, debug, plugin running, settings)
And third by the way the plugins became a faster approved status if there are enough response from the community for it!

@ YamiKaitou
NO, it's a part of the problem i would like to discuss! And Wc3FT iss a great example for all things i mean! We also can talk about smaler plugins like backweapons, abd or whatever, but the point is a smaler plugin dont have a bigger fanbase for it! Then most of the player don't register the bugs there or the errors and warnings in the log's.

Atm, again after some fails, i take a plugin named wowmod, and again its not sable! Thats my first reason i post this here! I hope that all the "active" developers and plugin creators do it in the right way and fix their stuff! Because out of one of those plugins can grow a bigger better and by the way not just over the game(with hl/hl2 engine) itself addressed game!
I talk about a game "api", if you want to name it so, where some guys play on a server, and others just connect to the database over the www to get more features in the basic of the game-mod!
I've got many realy nice ideas, but this is the best i got ever! I want to realise it! But again i stay infront of a plugin of some creator wich dont fix its to a stable version.

And dont talk to me, a simple database connect, a simple update and get data funktion can't broke after this time! NO WAY! I programming in php with a lot's of sql databases, a lots of scripts! I know with a program (or plugin) its a little harder to make, but a function like this dont broke just like that!
It just can broke if there one guy connect play 5 rounds thinks "hey works" and uploade it... With more than 3 or 4 mapchanges and 4 or 5 players at one time, this guy had seen it brokes and crash the servers...

i stop at this point... its to much again and i know: "Nobodywho cares realy read so much text..."
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Old 08-11-2012 , 11:11   Re: i cant understand...
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@ matsi

Your contribution to this post is, lets approve all buggy plugins from all nice "developers" and give them karma for fame and a good feeling?!
Do you know that counterstrike and much other games based on a game named halflife?! Do you know about the steps wich are taken by the beta parts and how long they test it with the community?!
i dont think so... and hey... at this time there where NO AMX... got it?!

@ matsi & Mordekay
And test's should do by the "community", after 10 or 15 people wich say its ok and works it should do it! After a "update" again...
At first they will use it longer than a week when they install it...
Second reason for it is that they will be more than one guy wich test it in a full way... (checking log's, debug, plugin running, settings)
And third by the way the plugins became a faster approved status if there are enough response from the community for it!

@ YamiKaitou
NO, it's a part of the problem i would like to discuss! And Wc3FT iss a great example for all things i mean! We also can talk about smaler plugins like backweapons, abd or whatever, but the point is a smaler plugin dont have a bigger fanbase for it! Then most of the player don't register the bugs there or the errors and warnings in the log's.

Atm, again after some fails, i take a plugin named wowmod, and again its not sable! Thats my first reason i post this here! I hope that all the "active" developers and plugin creators do it in the right way and fix their stuff! Because out of one of those plugins can grow a bigger better and by the way not just over the game(with hl/hl2 engine) itself addressed game!
I talk about a game "api", if you want to name it so, where some guys play on a server, and others just connect to the database over the www to get more features in the basic of the game-mod!
I've got many realy nice ideas, but this is the best i got ever! I want to realise it! But again i stay infront of a plugin of some creator wich dont fix its to a stable version.

And dont talk to me, a simple database connect, a simple update and get data funktion can't broke after this time! NO WAY! I programming in php with a lot's of sql databases, a lots of scripts! I know with a program (or plugin) its a little harder to make, but a function like this dont broke just like that!
It just can broke if there one guy connect play 5 rounds thinks "hey works" and uploade it... With more than 3 or 4 mapchanges and 4 or 5 players at one time, this guy had seen it brokes and crash the servers...

i stop at this point... its to much again and i know: "Nobodywho cares realy read so much text..."
My point was all the new approved plugins are constantly updated. And part of the approving process is that the plugin actually works. Some of the approvers ask people if plugin is working as it should and after confirmation they will approve it. All of the approvers will review the code personally finding something to improve or done completely different. Even if approver doesn't regular members will.

As YamiKaitou said if you want support for old plugin or want it unapproved you must report it. Some of the old coders has left the community and move on with their lifes, maybe you should too.


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Old 08-11-2012 , 13:01   Re: i cant understand...
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@ matsi

And you think, to say me i, should get a life, are the right way to answer to a thread like this here?! Great way to make a community better, bigger and by the way give new people, wich realy interests this stuff, to make it in a right(your) way!
Dont ask why everybody on a server flame when you flame... you know what i mean?!
You are the best example for users wich post and dont get the basic of the thread itself!

Im not here to leave, im not here to pay someone for its idea wich "he" wants to realise for oneself! What do you think "why" a plugin exist?! Why counterstrike exist... DO YOU think that the gamers at 1999 thought "hey there will come valve and give us a billion dollars for it!"...
Come think about and give me 2 or 3 realy reasons why...
Then we are at the point i mean... Its just for own fun, needs or fame... not more!

And by the way, i ask my questions in multiple forms but nobody answers on questions that im asking! But why?! Because the plugin was made and the [REQ] of it don't should go online without the "ok" of the guy wich got the basic idea and makes the first of it?!

Look to the board and you often see what i mean... just stupid for a community wich does things "in a sense" of "open source"! "For the community", realy?! Not realy...


@ YamiKaitou
I know what you mean, ive testet also some things with the WC3FT source and must recognize that alone and without any help there is no way for me! Set the level higher (maybe on lvl 20) is alone to hard for me, to many files wich ive to change something to do it "right"...
not impossible, but i dont think i become it to a stable version!

and i dont want to say "DO IT GUY"... i just mean that there are bugs in it! It was in this sense never ready and 100% working... thats it...
Wc3FT is in my opinion not flexible enough to build on it! All of the guys just want hold their level at the end and thats it, nobody wants to reset, nobody wants to loose its XP...
Thats the community, they dont understand the "game-fun" at the leveling, they just want to kill each other and hey when a newbie comming to the server its great because oneself iss so highskilled with all the items, abilities and all 9 races on lvl 10...

I dont say it would'nt be nice, but i think 10 days before CS:GO realease it's stupid to work on a plugin wich nobody want's changed realy...

Buf for the future with more great plugins i think there shuold be made a basic for all, wich means standarts with "how to", sourcecode, fixed bugs and maybe a better way is to let them link all preversions/betas and so on. Then guys like me, wich come years later, can see if it was working in a version before...
Its also with the board rules "Flame and you got warned, flame again and you will banned..."
So "create guidelines" dont be so hard to make i think, and they will help ALL, so also the mods & admins...
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Old 08-11-2012 , 10:23   Re: i cant understand...
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If a plugin has serious bugs that are preventing it from functioning as described (read, serious), then REPORT it. Do not sit here and complain about it. Unless someone brings it to the attention of the Approvers, chances are we will never hear about it. There are over 2000 threads in the Approved section, we do NOT have the time to monitor each thread and re-review updates. If the plugin is broken, respond to the thread first. If nobody appears to resolve the bug, then report the thread. Also, if this is your thinking, you would be surprised at the amount of plugins posted and/or updated that the author does not test.


Also, about wc3ft, I would have fixed a lot more bugs if I could have found them. I spent months trying to figure out the crashing, never got anywhere. With large plugins, it becomes extremely hard to troubleshoot when you do not know where to look and only have to rely on the public to provide you information (most of which they cannot because they do not have it). I am not here to talk about this plugin as I have no idea about it's development status or overall well-being since I last touched it (sometime in late 2010 or early 2011, whenever I disappeared).


I don't even run HL1 servers anymore, I'm starting to switch over to HL2 servers, though I probably will not run W3S because I don't like the way it is setup (I followed it when it was just starting, I was even a consultant to the development team).
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Old 08-12-2012 , 11:24   Re: i cant understand...
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Okay, this will be my last response in this thread (I haven't even read the previous post), I'm done here


When you find a broken plugin, reply to the thread describing the error in detail. If nobody (read, nobody) replies back attempting to help you in a week's time, report the first post to the moderators so the Approvers can take a look at it.


If you have process and guideline changes, we probably will not be changing ours any time soon.
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Old 08-13-2012 , 10:56   Re: i cant understand...
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This thread was just gold. Thanks for the entertainment!
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Old 08-13-2012 , 18:40   Re: i cant understand...
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This thread was just gold. Thanks for the entertainment!
I know! Some people just don't get it.
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