[xPaw]

Originally Posted by Mordekay To show you how Valve thinks about this stuff in general.

That is still completely different things.

[Mordekay]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=behavioral+pattern
First link, i hope this explains what i mean.

[bluechester]

Oh god. The idea of non-steam has really gotten to everyone in this forum.

Think of it like this:

CS 1.6 is a mod to HL as CSPromod is a mod to HL2.

https://developer.valvesoftware.com/...tegory:Modding

There are plenty of mods or games made on the Source engine. An example would be something like: Pirates, Vikings & Knights II. CSPromod is just another one. All of them are completely legal and the fact that you're arguing against this just boggles my mind.

And getting back to OP's question, Swift Panel isn't supported anymore. As far as I know, the project is dead, so if I were you I'd look into an alternative.

[xPaw]

Originally Posted by bluechester Oh god. The idea of non-steam has really gotten to everyone in this forum. Think of it like this: CS 1.6 is a mod to HL as CSPromod is a mod to HL2. https://developer.valvesoftware.com/...tegory:Modding There are plenty of mods or games made on the Source engine. An example would be something like: Pirates, Vikings & Knights II. CSPromod is just another one. All of them are completely legal and the fact that you're arguing against this just boggles my mind. And getting back to OP's question, Swift Panel isn't supported anymore. As far as I know, the project is dead, so if I were you I'd look into an alternative.

Tell that to Mordekay, he can't understand it

[bluechester]

Originally Posted by xPaw Tell that to Mordekay, he can't understand it

That Wiki is all he needs.

This too: http://wiki.cspromod.com/About

Going by his logic, any game that isn't made by Valve that uses the Source engine is pretty much illegal. If that was the case, games like Pirates, Vikings, and Knights II wouldn't be in the Steam store ready for download.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/17570/

This game requires that you own a Source engine game such as Counter-Strike: Source, Half-Life 2, or Day of Defeat: Source. Click here for a full list of games that meet this requirement. Please note that Portal: First Slice and the bundled Half-Life 2: Deathmatch do not fulfill this requirement.

The only reason why CSPromod isn't available on Steam (as far as I know) is because it's still in beta.

[Mordekay]

You don't get it.
I don't say that any mod using the source/gldsource engine is non-steam! That is bullshit. Starting with Age of Chivalry over any free mod that used ONLY it's own files and models and materials that come with the FREE games of the orange box is absolutely LEGAL.
Why CSPromod is illegal is the simple fact that it uses material from a LICESENSED game, which is, if you READ the part of the user agreement of the HLDS software and that part that Hawk posted, ILLEGAL. You are only allowed to use ressources from a game you OWN. If you create a mod you have to make sure that ANY part or content of a game you use to create this mod has to be OWNED by the user that want to run your mod.
Do you need CS:S to run CSPromod? Not for the client, but for the SERVER. No server = no game.
And for "that wiki is all he need".
Do you may know tat any wiki page is created by simple users/persons. Any info on a wiki page is only as good as the one who wrote it.
I doubt that anyone would write that usage of his mod is illegal. That would be dumb, wound't it?

[Exolent[jNr]]

Originally Posted by Mordekay You don't get it. I don't say that any mod using the source/gldsource engine is non-steam! That is bullshit. Starting with Age of Chivalry over any free mod that used ONLY it's own files and models and materials that come with the FREE games of the orange box is absolutely LEGAL. Why CSPromod is illegal is the simple fact that it uses material from a LICESENSED game, which is, if you READ the part of the user agreement of the HLDS software and that part that Hawk posted, ILLEGAL. You are only allowed to use ressources from a game you OWN. If you create a mod you have to make sure that ANY part or content of a game you use to create this mod has to be OWNED by the user that want to run your mod. Do you need CS:S to run CSPromod? Not for the client, but for the SERVER. No server = no game. And for "that wiki is all he need". Do you may know tat any wiki page is created by simple users/persons. Any info on a wiki page is only as good as the one who wrote it. I doubt that anyone would write that usage of his mod is illegal. That would be dumb, wound't it?

https://developer.valvesoftware.com/...g_Game_Content

I don't see anything about it being illegal there.
They just say it's advised for you not to in case the players don't have the games which have the content your game needs.

[Mordekay]

Because this got nothing to do with illegal use of game content, this is declared in the license agreement, once again, here:

Originally Posted by http://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/ Your Subscription(s) may contain access to the Valve software development kit (the "SDK") for the computer game engine used in Half-Life 2 and other compatible Valve products (the "Source Engine"). You may use, reproduce and modify the SDK on a non-commercial basis solely to develop a modified game (a "Mod") for Half-Life 2 or other Valve products compatible with and using the Source Engine. You may reproduce and distribute the Mod in object code form, solely to licensed end users of Half-Life 2 or other compatible Valve products, provided that the Mod is made publicly available and distributed without charge on a non-commercial basis

Licensed. The content to run a server is licensed content and can be run without owning the license, how hard is that to understand?

[Exolent[jNr]]

Originally Posted by Mordekay Because this got nothing to do with illegal use of game content, this is declared in the license agreement, once again, here: Licensed. The content to run a server is licensed content and can be run without owning the license, how hard is that to understand?

If that's the case, then why is it even brought up as "ill-advised" in the developer documentations rather than saying "you cannot do this"?

[Mordekay]

Who knows that? Maybe because they beleive in the good within humans? Because they think that it should be clear to anyone that i should not use programms that i do not own? Who cares? You still COULD own both games for content to mix, therefore this advise. This does not change that they ALSO postet the license agreement which clearly forbids using content of a game you do not own for a mod you create.
EDIT: or they simply don't wanted to mix generell license stuff with other hints and tips for the use of legaly created mods. Mods that either run on complete free stuff or force you to own the game from whic they used stuff to create the mod.