[Cynicalkitty]

Originally Posted by allenwr Fear is a very powerful tool, and I am not feared nor do I impose fear upon others. But they do know I own a few guns. And with out pointing out any political parties, media tends to make the gun look like the cause of the crime, as well as mislabling the type of gun. If people knew that guns were not a threat to own, the country would be safe and more secure, the only 2 things that are dangerous are old and damaged guns and people who are mentally unstable. Before I continue this debate, I need some input on if we are talking about local safety from criminals or goverenment control.

Really so, I guess guns arnt a danger to kids then right.

I guess in the case of a house that was broken into the gun you OWN could never be used against you.

So every single person that gets shot on the news every single day got shot by someone who was mentally unstable.

Your telling me that the only danger that guns have are within the hands of a mentally unstable person and if they are broken?

I guess every single gang that ever existed is mentally unstable

or all their guns are broken because god knows, they've shot 'just a few'.

Turn on the news, reality says otherwise.

[regalis]

Thats the point.
The government makes you believing that you have to buy weapons to protect your powerty/soul whatever from criminals...But i think thats not correct.
If a criminal wants to harm you he will harm you..if you have a gun or not.
Because he knows when it will happen and thats the problem...you can't have always your gun with you, or do you have a gun in your pocket when you go shopping?
Or when you are asleep at night?
There are no security in having a gun...this is misbelieve.

Guns are good for having fun in the shootingclub or in the wild, but to protect a person in a society there have to be other "instruments" like the police and a functional law.
To restrict having weapons doesn't mean that you can't have weapons at home!!
It means that everyone who have a weapon at home must be registered with this weapon and he must assure to be adept with the handling of his weapon.
So you can feel secure in a society where the buying of weapons are restricted because you can have them at home..but other people would also feel secure in the assuredness that mostly everyone who have a weapon is registered.

Does this sound so bad? I think not!

PS: Sorry for my bad english...i was in school a long time ago

[allenwr]

at Kitty, you are ignorant, teach children gun safety, I was talk the proper use of guns at about 7, then I took a gun/hunting safety class at 12. My family owns about 13 guns, not a single problem once. And yes, all criminals are mentally unstable at one degree or another, and so are all gang members. Gang members are in a gang because they are looking for a belonging. No one who completely sane goes and looks to kill some one. you can quote me on that. And I never said once about a broken gun, a broken gun is safe since it doesn't work, it is simply a chunk of steal. And if your house is broken into, you are more likely to get to your gun before the intruder gets to it. and most brake-ins happen in the late evening when they are less likely to be seen, and if you smart, you have a .357 in your dresser right next to you for such an event.

At regalis, And your government ideas are wrong I dont know about germany, but the United States government has never once in any way said you should go out and buy a gun. They dont teach it in the schools, their are no public service announcements saying buy guns, it just doesnt happen.

Also, all guns in the US must be registered, I guess I am braking the law there. And you are not allowed to have a gun in your pocket, this is called a concealed weapon, illegal. Any gun or knife you carry must be clearly visible. If you want, you can have a desert eagle strapted to your thigh, as long as it isnt loaded and visible.

Final note, not every person that is mentally stable is unstable all the time, but when you are in a rage of some sort or another and you have a gun and are planning to kill some one, you are unstable. Thats why they have a one week wait on the purchase of all fire arms.

[vvg125]

My parents were born in a town located in the Middle Eastern country called Lebanon. There are no gun laws (it was more of a village) and everyone lives in peace there. There won't be a single house without a few hunting rifles, however you will never see any crime (maybe the occasional shoplifting from a kid but nothing serious). There are no regulations as to where or when you can carry a gun... It's the fact that people use logic and common sense. They have respect for each other. There is no need to commit crimes, everyone is happy. Guns are not the cause of violence, they are a way of being violent.

[Cynicalkitty]

Originally Posted by allenwr at Kitty, you are ignorant, teach children gun safety, I was talk the proper use of guns at about 7, then I took a gun/hunting safety class at 12. My family owns about 13 guns, not a single problem once. And yes, all criminals are mentally unstable at one degree or another, and so are all gang members. Gang members are in a gang because they are looking for a belonging. No one who completely sane goes and looks to kill some one. you can quote me on that. And I never said once about a broken gun, a broken gun is safe since it doesn't work, it is simply a chunk of steal. And if your house is broken into, you are more likely to get to your gun before the intruder gets to it. and most brake-ins happen in the late evening when they are less likely to be seen, and if you smart, you have a .357 in your dresser right next to you for such an event. At regalis, And your government ideas are wrong I dont know about germany, but the United States government has never once in any way said you should go out and buy a gun. They dont teach it in the schools, their are no public service announcements saying buy guns, it just doesnt happen. Also, all guns in the US must be registered, I guess I am braking the law there. And you are not allowed to have a gun in your pocket, this is called a concealed weapon, illegal. Any gun or knife you carry must be clearly visible. If you want, you can have a desert eagle strapted to your thigh, as long as it isnt loaded and visible. Final note, not every person that is mentally stable is unstable all the time, but when you are in a rage of some sort or another and you have a gun and are planning to kill some one, you are unstable. Thats why they have a one week wait on the purchase of all fire arms.

Oh im sorry I mistook 'BROKEN' for 'DAMAGED'.

You say that now, 'teach children gun safety' but do you really think that all those 'brilliant' 'logical thinking' people are going to do that? Yet those are the types of people who are still able to buy guns.

Yes, all gang members are mentally unstable thats why they can do large sums of math in their heads, that people in school probably cant. From all the drugs they sell. They are looking for belonging, therefore they are unstable.

So your telling me that no sane person would ever go out and shoot anyone. That every single person who gets shot every single day was shot by someone who was 'mentally unstable?' I just find that very hard to believe. There are some people im sure who shoot people and are just so stunned afterwards that they can't believe they did it.

I guess that one week wait didn't stop the 'admittedly' unstable Cho from shooting 30 something people

[allenwr]

The one week rule is a 'cool off period' but this was a well thought out and long time planned violent act. Hence this guy was not sane, and you guys are mistaking the term mentally unstable for that of person who lives in a padded room. And, now, tell me about these math calculations? The Ammount to charge for the type and weight of a drug... yeah, even the freshman at my high school could do those calculations. Because I am sure that the average gang member doesnt just do geometry for fun...

Point being the media brainwashed you people into think that guns are the source of all murders and that they cant save a person if they were being attacked.

Also, I am not dirrectly pointing out one type of crime or group of people. A lot of you are looking at this with a small and closed mind, and not the fact that if guns were so dangerous that they would not have been made in fast production in the 1st place. People are dangerous, that is a fact.

[Juba_PornBorn1]

Before I continue this debate, I need some input on if we are talking about local safety from criminals or goverenment control.

I'm afraid to say that it's the same thing. Politic of fear is the some has gangs, organized crime, whatever. You see it in tv but in real life many people have never crossed themselfs with a mafia gay, a gang menber( and I mean you can walk on suppostly tuff neighberhoods all day all days and never have nothing (I do it every day). Where I live there's 4 or 5 murders every week (center of Caracas). But if you look for trouble you find it right way in question of minutes. Do I fell threaten. Nop, never.

I guess every single gang that ever existed is mentally unstable or all their guns are broken because god knows, they've shot 'just a few'.

Yep these people are mentally unstable, maybe not always, but when you kill someone there's no other way to put it

If a criminal wants to harm you he will harm you..if you have a gun or not.

Yep that's true even if you carry a gun. Ho may! He got shot in the back and the criminal got is gun! Not necessarily safe is it?

Guns are good for having fun in the shooting club or in the wild, but to protect a person in a society there have to be other "instruments" like the police and a functional law.

Or even better culture and incentive to a true meaningfull life. Dont want myself a hummer, bitchs, money in my pocket, a big stereo, 100' TV flat panel, big house with swimming pools and party with my buddies every day, buzz, champagne. That's bullshit! Big one! The American Dream sold every where you go! So what the neigher does? He want's to get rich or die trying.
Isn't that stupid? Gangs dude? What the hell is that?

and if you smart, you have a .357 in your dresser right next to you for such an event.

People say: If you are afraid get a dog. But you my dear allenwr should get a dozen. And security cameras, laser detectors, alarms, security guards, bars on the windows and doors, what the hell, an all house maid of steel. Granades under the coach, poiseness gas, a XV century armor, should sleep with a bullet proof jacket, an emergency bunker. Ho man! So lost!

At regalis, And your government ideas are wrong I dont know about germany, but the United States government has never once in any way said you should go out and buy a gun.

Nope! Movies and TV do that for the goverment. Lobbys on congress too. Ilusion of safety. So nice!

[allenwr]

Originally Posted by Juba_PornBorn1 I'm afraid to say that it's the same thing. Politic of fear is the some has gangs, organized crime, whatever. You see it in tv but in real life many people have never crossed themselfs with a mafia gay, a gang menber( and I mean you can walk on suppostly tuff neighberhoods all day all days and never have nothing (I do it every day). Where I live there's 4 or 5 murders every week (center of Caracas). But if you look for trouble you find it right way in question of minutes. Do I fell threaten. Nop, never. Yep these people are mentally unstable, maybe not always, but when you kill someone there's no other way to put it Yep that's true even if you carry a gun. Ho may! He got shot in the back and the criminal got is gun! Not necessarily safe is it? Or even better culture and incentive to a true meaningfull life. Dont want myself a hummer, bitchs, money in my pocket, a big stereo, 100' TV flat panel, big house with swimming pools and party with my buddies every day, buzz, champagne. That's bullshit! Big one! The American Dream sold every where you go! So what the neigher does? He want's to get rich or die trying. Isn't that stupid? Gangs dude? What the hell is that? People say: If you are afraid get a dog. But you my dear allenwr should get a dozen. And security cameras, laser detectors, alarms, security guards, bars on the windows and doors, what the hell, an all house maid of steel. Granades under the coach, poiseness gas, a XV century armor, should sleep with a bullet proof jacket, an emergency bunker. Ho man! So lost! Nope! Movies and TV do that for the goverment. Lobbys on congress too. Ilusion of safety. So nice!

You should stop talking, you are making yourself look bad, and you know what a bullet does to a dogs head? A dead dog is pretty useless after words. And fear is something I do not have, sorry. I do feel safe, all the time. The only thing you said that was correct was about how gang members and murderers are unstable. Balistic if you will.

[allenwr]

Quick note, stop thinking I am talking about caring a gun in public. I am talking mostly about home use and safety.

And Juba, if you haven't noticed, I presented facts about guns. All you have done is told showed your side, hypothetical situtations and theorical opinions.

[Juba_PornBorn1]

Edit, this applies to everyone, and if you have a kid age 8-10(depending on size and maturity) and up, take them too.

If your parents took you to hunt what they did to you was teach you how to be cruel with animals. Nothing else.

And Juba, if you haven't noticed, I presented facts about guns. All you have done is told showed your side, hypothetical situtations and theorical opinions.

So all the countrys in Europe wich I have written are just hipotetical?
So the fact that I live in a much nastier place then you live and never once thought on getting a gun, and never felt threaten etheir, is theorical?
Ho man! So lost!

You should stop talking, you are making yourself look bad, and you know what a bullet does to a dogs head? A dead dog is pretty useless after words.

But he does barks. And gives you time to rush under the bad and get the rocket launcher!