[Raymondddd]

Anyone that's good with mapping know when and where to use Null, Hint, and other type of related textures?

Here's a picture of my map from top view, can someone draw in boxes or lines of where I should place those textures to reduce render time and fps drops.

Picture : [IMG]http://desmond.**************/Himg441/scaled.php?server=441&filename=577t.png&res=l anding[/IMG]
Link in case you can't see it. http://**************/f/441/577t.png/

Thanks!

[Tirant]

http://zhlt.info/special-textures.html

My rule of thumb, it to build the entire map using the NULL texture and then texture individually after. This way I know every object will be as good as it can be, and the textures will look good. Something else that's useful to know. Most people think each face is a face ingame, but that's not true. Each complete texture tile will be a face. So fitting a texture will give you 1 face guaranteed, making an extremely small scale on an already smallish texture will increase the number of faces.

To explain better, it's like having a grid. Imagine you have a single cell. Now increasing texture scale will subdivide that cell into more parts, creating more faces. This isn't a huge issue, but on large and complex maps, very useful to know.

[GordonFreeman (RU)]

who want to see new map editor?

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[Raymondddd]

What should I be more worried about, WPOLY or EPOLY. I get up to 1500+ Wpoly on certain parts and up to 5000+ Epoly on a specific spot.

Note that this is a jailbreak map and the 1500+ Wpoly is coming from the cage room, which includes a bunch of faces and what not. The 5000+ Epoly is coming from the gurnoom, I got over 50 guns in there.


Maybe the data log can give you some ideas.

hlcsg 3.4 SSE 2 V2.0 (Mar 29 2009) Zoner's Half-Life Compilation Tools -- Custom Build Based on code modifications by Sean 'Zoner' Cavanaugh Based on Valve's version, modified with permission. Submit detailed bug reports to ([email protected]) ----- BEGIN hlcsg ----- Command line: hlcsg -nowadtextures jb_something_c8 Entering jb_something_c8.map Current hlcsg Settings Name | Setting | Default ---------------------|-----------|------------------------- threads [ 2 ] [ Varies ] verbose [ off ] [ off ] log [ on ] [ on ] developer [ 0 ] [ 0 ] chart [ off ] [ off ] estimate [ off ] [ off ] max texture memory [ 4194304 ] [ 4194304 ] max lighting memory [ 6291456 ] [ 6291456 ] priority [ Normal ] [ Normal ] noclip [ off ] [ off ] null texture stripping[ on ] [ on ] clipnode economy mode [ on ] [ on ] clip hull type [ legacy ] [ legacy ] onlyents [ off ] [ off ] wadtextures [ off ] [ on ] skyclip [ on ] [ on ] hullfile [ None ] [ None ] nullfile [ None ] [ None ] min surface area [ 0.500 ] [ 0.500 ] brush union threshold [ 0.000 ] [ 0.000 ] Using mapfile wad configuration Wadinclude list : [zhlt.wad] 9 brushes (totalling 54 sides) discarded from clipping hulls CreateBrush: (0.25 seconds) SetModelCenters: (0.00 seconds) CSGBrush: (1.00 seconds) Using Wadfile: \users\solomez\desktop\stuff\new jb map\jb_snow_btm.wad - Warning: Larger than expected texture (348972 bytes): 'SNOW' - Contains 23 used textures, 58.97 percent of map (135 textures in wad) Using Wadfile: \users\solomez\desktop\stuff\new jb map\all-in-one.wad - Contains 15 used textures, 38.46 percent of map (4092 textures in wad) Using Wadfile: \users\solomez\desktop\stuff\new jb map\c21_choklad_btm.wad - Contains 1 used texture, 2.56 percent of map (10 textures in wad) Including Wadfile: \users\solomez\desktop\stuff\new jb map\zhlt.wad - Contains 0 used textures, 0.00 percent of map (8 textures in wad) added 10 additional animating textures. Texture usage is at 1.11 mb (of 4.00 mb MAX) 1.47 seconds elapsed ----- END hlcsg ----- hlbsp 3.4 SSE 2 V2.0 (Mar 29 2009) Zoner's Half-Life Compilation Tools -- Custom Build Based on code modifications by Sean 'Zoner' Cavanaugh Based on Valve's version, modified with permission. Submit detailed bug reports to ([email protected]) ----- BEGIN hlbsp ----- Command line: hlbsp jb_something_c8 Current hlbsp Settings Name | Setting | Default -------------------|-----------|------------------------- threads [ 2 ] [ Varies ] verbose [ off ] [ off ] log [ on ] [ on ] developer [ 0 ] [ 0 ] chart [ off ] [ off ] estimate [ off ] [ off ] max texture memory [ 4194304 ] [ 4194304 ] priority [ Normal ] [ Normal ] noclip [ off ] [ off ] nofill [ off ] [ off ] noopt [ off ] [ off ] null tex. stripping [ on ] [ on ] notjunc [ off ] [ off ] subdivide size [ 240 ] [ 240 ] (Min 64) (Max 512) max node size [ 1024 ] [ 1024 ] (Min 64) (Max 8192) SolidBSP [hull 0] 500...1000...1500...2000...2047 (0.12 seconds) BSP generation successful, writing portal file 'jb_something_c8.prt' SolidBSP [hull 1] 500...1000...1500...1828 (0.10 seconds) SolidBSP [hull 2] 500...1000...1500...1770 (0.08 seconds) SolidBSP [hull 3] 500...1000...1500...1958 (0.09 seconds) 1.71 seconds elapsed ----- END hlbsp ----- hlvis 3.4 SSE 2 V2.0 (Mar 29 2009) Zoner's Half-Life Compilation Tools -- Custom Build Based on code modifications by Sean 'Zoner' Cavanaugh Based on Valve's version, modified with permission. Submit detailed bug reports to ([email protected]) ----- BEGIN hlvis ----- Command line: hlvis jb_something_c8 864 portalleafs 2295 numportals -= Current hlvis Settings =- Name | Setting | Default -------------------|-----------|------------------------- threads [ 2 ] [ Varies ] verbose [ off ] [ off ] log [ on ] [ on ] developer [ 0 ] [ 0 ] chart [ off ] [ off ] estimate [ off ] [ off ] max texture memory [ 4194304 ] [ 4194304 ] max vis distance [ 0 ] [ 0 ] priority [ Normal ] [ Normal ] fast vis [ off ] [ off ] full vis [ off ] [ off ] BasePortalVis: (0.51 seconds) LeafThread: (63.05 seconds) average leafs visible: 247 g_visdatasize:52597 compressed from 93312 63.62 seconds elapsed [1m 3s] ----- END hlvis ----- hlrad 3.4 SSE 2 V2.0 (Mar 29 2009) Zoner's Half-Life Compilation Tools -- Custom Build Based on code modifications by Sean 'Zoner' Cavanaugh Based on Valve's version, modified with permission. Submit detailed bug reports to ([email protected]) ----- BEGIN hlrad ----- Command line: hlrad jb_something_c8 -= Current hlrad Settings =- Name | Setting | Default --------------------|---------------------|------------------------- threads [ 2 ] [ Varies ] verbose [ off ] [ off ] log [ on ] [ on ] developer [ 0 ] [ 0 ] chart [ off ] [ off ] estimate [ off ] [ off ] max texture memory [ 4194304 ] [ 4194304 ] max lighting memory [ 6291456 ] [ 6291456 ] priority [ Normal ] [ Normal ] vismatrix algorithm [ Original ] [ Original ] oversampling (-extra)[ off ] [ off ] bounces [ 1 ] [ 1 ] bounce dynamic light [ on ] [ on ] ambient light [ 0.000 0.000 0.000 ] [ 0.000 0.000 0.000 ] maximum light [ 255.000 ] [ 256.000 ] circus mode [ off ] [ off ] smoothing threshold [ 50.000 ] [ 50.000 ] direct threshold [ 25.000 ] [ 25.000 ] direct light scale [ 2.000 ] [ 2.000 ] coring threshold [ 1.000 ] [ 1.000 ] patch interpolation [ on ] [ on ] texscale [ on ] [ on ] patch subdividing [ on ] [ on ] chop value [ 64.000 ] [ 64.000 ] texchop value [ 32.000 ] [ 32.000 ] global fade [ 1.000 ] [ 1.000 ] global falloff [ 2 ] [ 2 ] global light scale [ 1.000 1.000 1.000 ] [ 1.000 1.000 1.000 ] global gamma [ 0.500 0.500 0.500 ] [ 0.500 0.500 0.500 ] global light scale [ 1.000 ] [ 1.000 ] global sky diffusion [ 1.000 ] [ 1.000 ] opaque entities [ on ] [ on ] sky lighting fix [ on ] [ on ] incremental [ off ] [ off ] dump [ off ] [ off ] colour jitter [ 0.0 0.0 0.0 ] [ 0.0 0.0 0.0 ] monochromatic jitter [ 0.0 0.0 0.0 ] [ 0.0 0.0 0.0 ] softlight hack [ 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 ] [ 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 ] diffuse hack [ on ] [ on ] spotlight points [ on ] [ on ] custom shadows with bounce light [ off ] [ off ] rgb transfers [ off ] [ off ] [Reading texlights from 'lights.rad'] [59 texlights parsed from 'lights.rad'] [Reading texlights from info_texlights map entity] [1 texlights parsed from info_texlights map entity] 5169 faces Create Patches : 32060 base patches 0 opaque faces 255374 square feet [36773964.00 square inches] 1371 direct lights BuildFacelights: (59.37 seconds) visibility matrix : 61.3 megs BuildVisLeafs: (85.71 seconds) MakeScales: (41.93 seconds) SwapTransfers: (18.54 seconds) Transfer Lists : 47243786 : 47.24M transfers Indices : 30334304 : 28.93M bytes Data : 188975144 : 180.22M bytes GatherLight: (2.14 seconds) FinalLightFace: (0.62 seconds) 209.88 seconds elapsed [3m 29s] ----- END hlrad -----