[WildCard65]

Here's how I just caused 4 false detections of smac aimbot with just SM plugins:
1) Be a heavy
2) Set godmode onto yourself
3) Have your mouse sensitivity maxed
4) Use advanced infinite ammo on yourself
5) Set your rate of fire to 10.
6) Be on an arena map
7) Add 29 bots onto the red team
Get to the bots
9) Start spinning your mouse like a maniac
10) ???
11) PROFIT!

Note: I will get a demo of it.
Edit: Demo done, if you don't believe demo, test it out yourself.
Edit2: Also note, in making of demo, I also caused a false spinhack detection.

[SPYderman]

Oh man, I was going to do this thanks for the warning lol.

[VoiDeD]

In the off chance it wasn't obvious, smac_aimbot and smac_spinhack are both heuristic plugins. Pretty clear that they're going to have false positives.

[prom3th3an]

It isn't a false positive. Why? Because what you've described is not normal player behavior and is unlikely to be replicable without the assistance of SM plugins + bots.

It would almost be akin to saying, "If I force client-side sv_cheats on with an admin plugin, I get banned by SMAC! False positive bro!" - Obviously, such a notion is ridiculous. If you use admin plugins to make yourself look like a hacker than yes, SMAC will probably ban you as it is programmed to do so - such is hardly surprising nor worthy of its own thread..

[WildCard65]

Originally Posted by prom3th3an It isn't a false positive. Why? Because what you've described is not normal player behavior and is unlikely to be replicable without the assistance of SM plugins + bots. It would almost be akin to saying, "If I force client-side sv_cheats on with an admin plugin, I get banned by SMAC! False positive bro!" - Obviously, such a notion is ridiculous. If you use admin plugins to make yourself look like a hacker than yes, SMAC will probably ban you as it is programmed to do so - such is hardly surprising nor worthy of its own thread..

I was bored enough to spin crazy with high mouse sensitivity, but the spinhack false detection, that I believe can be done without admin rights. Aimbot one, I believe can also be done with 1 dispenser instead of AIA, rof bit, that was for just instant minigun spinup, speed bit had nothing to do with it, god bit, that was so bots won't kill me instantly as it was arena.

[VoiDeD]

Originally Posted by prom3th3an It isn't a false positive. Why? Because what you've described is not normal player behavior and is unlikely to be replicable without the assistance of SM plugins + bots. It would almost be akin to saying, "If I force client-side sv_cheats on with an admin plugin, I get banned by SMAC! False positive bro!" - Obviously, such a notion is ridiculous. If you use admin plugins to make yourself look like a hacker than yes, SMAC will probably ban you as it is programmed to do so - such is hardly surprising nor worthy of its own thread..

Neither of the detections mentioned in this thread require SM plugins nor bots. The RoF and infinite ammo plugins simply increase the chance of false positive detections.

Increase your mouse sensitivity enough and cause kills with hitscan weapons and you're likely to trigger a false positive.

[ddhoward]

False positives are inevitable with these plugins. This is why, by default, several detections are required (right?) before SMAC actually does anything.

[checkster]

SMAC just ruined my game style again, back to no life.

[prom3th3an]

Originally Posted by VoiDeD Neither of the detections mentioned in this thread require SM plugins nor bots. The RoF and infinite ammo plugins simply increase the chance of false positive detections. Increase your mouse sensitivity enough and cause kills with hitscan weapons and you're likely to trigger a false positive.

Really Voided? I would have expected you to recognize the distinction between “unlikely replicable” and “require”. However, that was a nice attempt at a strawman argument none-the-less.


Again, I'm simply stating that this particular user greatly increased the chances of the heuristic firing by A) Having a lot of bots around him increasing his chances of hitting two at a wide enough angle. B) Having an increased rate of fire thus further increasing the chances of hitting two players at a wide enough angle. C) Intentionally jacking up his mouse sensitivity to maintain maximum possible turning speed. D) Having infinite ammo so he could spray and pray long enough to build up several detections. E) Having godmode enabled so that he could not be killed while doing the above.


Obviously the heuristic could potentially fire from innocent player behavior which is why it requires a minimum of four detections. I can comfortably say that in the four years of running Team Fortress 2 servers I have never seen an innocuous user play in the manner I have described above – I mean, Free-to-Play players are bad, but they aren’t that bad.


So all-in-all the title of this thread is somewhat alarmist as is the need to "fix" what he has described.

[Ade]

Any reasonable person would've stopped at 2) Set godmode onto yourself. If you have the proper smac modules, you would not be able to put cheats on. Also, if you disable the specific module that disallows cheats, having cheats on will render any further detection useless, as putting for instance noclip on will allow you to go through walls and if someone's walling, they would have no time to use the info they see. You might not be able to stay alive long enough to trigger anything without that godmode... Needless to say any real competitive play will be thrown out the window, might as well turn the server into a build one.