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Old 05-01-2010 , 09:24   Re: Why trash Steamid Replacer?
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Yes, I do understand the issue. Did you read my post?
I did read your post - seeing as the problem is that the flaw could be (and likely is) abused, it seems a bit odd to say "if it's not abused, nothing will go wrong". It takes just one person abusing it to cause a problem.
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Old 05-01-2010 , 09:48   Re: Why trash Steamid Replacer?
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I did read your post - seeing as the problem is that the flaw could be (and likely is) abused, it seems a bit odd to say "if it's not abused, nothing will go wrong". It takes just one person abusing it to cause a problem.
Well then my statement is still valid; if it is not abused then all is well. I never said people will not abuse this, I was basically saying in a perfect world this steamid replacement is harmless if used ethically. Of course there are malicious server operators out there that will be falsely banning people.
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Old 05-01-2010 , 09:53   Re: Why trash Steamid Replacer?
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Couldn't something like a little asterisk perpending the SteamID or just the line to show that the ID has been changed fix this? Such a thing seems to be a problem to the solution, assuming the demos are looked at personally by admins at SteamBans, which I couldn't see how they aren't.
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Old 05-01-2010 , 09:55   Re: Why trash Steamid Replacer?
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Couldn't something like a little asterisk perpending the SteamID or just the line to show that the ID has been changed fix this? Such a thing seems to be a problem to the solution, assuming the demos are looked at personally by admins at SteamBans, which I couldn't see how they aren't.
At the same time, someone can recode it to remove the asterisk, or something that displays that there is a change.
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Old 05-01-2010 , 10:21   Re: Why trash Steamid Replacer?
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At the same time, someone can recode it to remove the asterisk, or something that displays that there is a change.
I'd suggest hard coding it and closing the source to a small file that would specify the key and maybe force the symbol, but that would be just another reason to unapprove it, due to the closed-source. Perhaps permission from a moderator would suffice?
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Old 05-01-2010 , 10:40   Re: Why trash Steamid Replacer?
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I'd suggest hard coding it and closing the source to a small file that would specify the key and maybe force the symbol, but that would be just another reason to unapprove it, due to the closed-source. Perhaps permission from a moderator would suffice?
It would, but at the same time, breaking a global rule of keeping the file opened source, will trigger other users to do something similar, when coding a plugin like SteamID Replacer.

In the end, a new topic like this will spark for almost every plugin that will change something that may be valuable data.
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Old 05-01-2010 , 10:43   Re: Why trash Steamid Replacer?
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Perhaps permission from a moderator would suffice?
Permission from dvander would be needed.
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Old 05-01-2010 , 12:39   Re: Why trash Steamid Replacer?
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I think we can change the topic of discussion now.

It's clear that the problem is not the steamid replacer plugin.

The problem is that SteamBans relies on a changeable steamid. The plugin exacerbates the problem.

What are the developers of SteamBans going to do about it? Since they're censoring this plugin, they must not be ready to deal with the problem. They could accept reports only from trusted servers. They could maintain a database of who played what, when, and with whom. Contradictions in the database would indicate a changed steamid. They could keep track of the IPs (and countries) that each steamid uses, perhaps even previous names. All of these things would help to increase the likelihood that a steamid report is authentic. It also requires a lot of resources.

So, fine, censor the plugin. Surely it will make the problem smaller right now, but it doesn't save your project from failure in the long term. However, don't censor the knowledge. Users should understand the reliability of your reports.
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Old 05-01-2010 , 13:34   Re: Why trash Steamid Replacer?
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If there was another way to get the user steamid, there won't be a problem, but since there is, can't say nothing.
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Old 05-01-2010 , 14:51   Re: Why trash Steamid Replacer?
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why not make the plugin so that admins can see the users actual steamID, but players see the fakeID?
then when an admin reports a cheater, they will have the users real steamID and everyone is happy
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