[Doggie52]

Hello everyone!

I have been think a lot about switching from the outdated and buggy Mani to SourceMod.
I have a loads of experience when it comes to installing everything and setting it up - so that won't be a problem.

But I was just wondering if there's anyone in here who's done the switch and would like to share some advice. I have several admins on the server and both them and me would like the switch to be as smooth and flawless as possible.

Questions I've been asking myself:

• Are there any major differences between Mani and Sourcemod when it comes to commands and features?
• How will Sourcemod affect the performance of the server?
• Is there anything Mani has that Sourcemod doesn't?
• Are there any screenshots of Sourcemod's adminmenu that I can view? This seems like one of the most interesting new features of the mod.

[XARIUS]

I just moved 7 servers from mani over to sourcemod. I'm using SourceBans for global admin and ban management.

The menus loook a BIT different, however it's not even worth posting a screenshot really.

A few things that are missing that we were using:

• xx_weapon only rounds (they do have knives however)
• No warmup timer (this is a big one, my community is crying about it)

Here's the list of plugins we're running to duplicate the functionality we had with mani..

[SM] Listing 33 plugins: 01 "Admin File Reader" (1.0.2.2236) by AlliedModders LLC 02 "Admin Help" (1.0.2.2236) by AlliedModders LLC 03 "Admin Menu" (1.0.2.2236) by AlliedModders LLC 04 "Advertisements" (0.5.5) by Tsunami 05 "AFK Manager" (1.0.2.4) by dubbeh 06 "ai_test_los blocker" (1.0.2) by pRED* 07 "Anti-Flood" (1.0.2.2236) by AlliedModders LLC 08 "Advanced Team Attack Control" (2.0.0) by FlyingMongoose 09 "ATAC Punishment Beacon" (2.0.0) by dalto 10 "ATAC Counter-Strike: Source" (2.0.0) by FlyingMongoose 11 "ATAC Punishment Slap" (2.0.0) by FlyingMongoose 12 "Basic Chat" (1.0.2.2236) by AlliedModders LLC 13 "Basic Comm Control" (1.0.2.2236) by AlliedModders LLC 14 "Basic Commands" (1.0.2.2236) by AlliedModders LLC 15 "Basic Info Triggers" (1.0.2.2236) by AlliedModders LLC 16 "Basic Votes" (1.0.2.2236) by AlliedModders LLC 17 "Chat Filter" (0.2) by chundo 18 "SuperNades" (1.0.0.0) by L. Duke 19 "Bot, drop the bomb" (1.1) by dalto 20 "Fun Commands" (1.0.2.2236) by AlliedModders LLC 21 "LastX" (1.2) by HomicidalApe 22 "Name Changer" (1.3) by bl4nk 23 "Nextmap" (1.0.2.2236) by AlliedModders LLC 24 "SlapSlay Commands" (1.0.2.2236) by AlliedModders LLC 25 "QuickDefuse" (0.3) by pRED* 26 "RateChecker" (0.2) by pRED* 27 "Reserved Slots" (1.0.2.2236) by AlliedModders LLC 28 "Weapon Restrictions" (1.1) by Liam 29 "SourceBans" (1.1.0) by SteamFriends Development Team 30 "SourceBans Sample Plugin" (1.0.0 RC2) by SteamFriends Development Team 31 "Spray tracer" (3.1) by Nican132 32 "Web Shortcuts" (1.0.1) by James "sslice" Gray 33 "Kigen's Anti-Cheat" (1.1.3) by Kigen

Yes, it takes quite a few plugins to duplicate all the existing functionality, however performance is still better and I've found memory usage to be about 8% lower on average.

Additionally, since these are all "extra" plugins over the sourcemod default admin system.. You can use the custom admin menu file to add the commands into the menu system (if they don't already do it themselves).

// Custom admin menu commands. // For more information: // // http://wiki.alliedmods.net/Custom_Ad...28SourceMod%29 // // Note: This file must be in Valve KeyValues format (no multiline comments) // "Commands" { "PlayerCommands" { "admin" "sm_ban" "Change Name" { "cmd" "sm_name #1 #2" "execute" "player" "1" { "type" "player" "method" "name" "title" "Player:" } "2" { "type" "list" "title" "Name" "1" "I Had A Naughty Name" "1." "I Had A Naughty Name" } } "admin" "sm_ban" "Drop C4" { "cmd" "sm_dropbomb" "execute" "server" } "admin" "sm_ban" "Spray Tracker" { "cmd" "sm_tracespray" "execute" "player" } } "ServerCommands" { "admin" "sm_ban" "Set Next Map" { "cmd" "sm_setnextmap @1" "execute" "server" "1" { "type" "mapcycle" "title" "Choose Next Map:" } } "admin" "sm_ban" "GUI Rate List" { "cmd" "sm_rate" "execute" "player" } "admin" "sm_ban" "Console Rate List" { "cmd" "sm_ratelist" "execute" "player" } "Recent Disconnects" { "cmd" "sm_lastx" "execute" "player" } } }

This will NOT be as easy as installing and setting up mani. It's going to take you twice, maybe three times longer, but you'll be that much happier in the long run having such a modular AND actively supported system.

Hope this helps

[BAILOPAN]

SourceMod is pretty much a closed-room design. We didn't design it with Mani in mind, since it's not a plugin system.

Out of box, it lacks things like statistics. The base set of plugins is intended to be the minimum needed to administrate a server. Extra things are written by the community as plugins.

It's pretty optimized at the core, and the base plugins don't use CPU idly. That may change depending on what kind of plugins you add (i.e. big gameplay ones will take more CPU).

You should look at the command list to see if there are things out-of-box that are missing. If there's no plugins available to do what you want, you can always run Mani and SourceMod side-by-side (or file a feature request, or post a community request in the forums).

[Cooltad]

I use Mani -and- SourceMod together.

I update Mani myself to keep it up with TF2 updates so it never breaks. <3

[willy1234x1]

SM is amazing I used to be a diehard Mani and Eventscript user but now that I've switched I love it. SM is so modular and customizable there's no comparison to it's infinite awesomeness and Mani is just shit in comparison.

[[AiF] Biggs]

I was already accustomed to amxx from using it for years on CS. So actually, switching from that to manimod when we got a CS:S server was more complicated for me than just switching to Sourcemod. I used mani on our CS:S server and didn't ever really get used to it, so when we switched it to a TF2 server, I put SM on it instead and felt right at home with it.
So I guess what I'm saying is naturally you'll like what you're accustomed to, but trust me, give Sourcemod a shot. It kicks ass.

[MoggieX]

What you waiting for? We made the move months ago!!

BTW like the features of Mani? Then you will like this:
http://www.sourcemod.net/plugins.php...tion=&search=1

Matt

[Doggie52]

Thanks everyone for your help! I've now switched and have yet to experience anything bad !