[PersianMG]

Hey guys, so I have recently set up a server and have added basically all the plugins I need for the server. I'm also modified a few of the plugins myself to suit my needs.

However there is one huge issue on the server, we have an issue with the arm model/weapons/guns disappearing at seemingly random times. It seems to occur more often when there are more people on the server (ie 20) but also happens when there are not many (but less often, ie 5 people).

Logs don't indicate anything and I don't really know where took to try and fix it.
Any ideas?

The plugins which interact with the player model/gun would be:
- Knife Upgrade
- SwitchKnifes
- thirdperson
- CS:GO Skins Chooser

However there is no relationship between the model disappearing and a command. I could not use any commands for 10 minutes and it would randomly take away my arms. The arms would then possible reappear on round_start or maybe not and they would appear some time later.

Is the only way I can test to disable plugins 1 by 1 until people report it doesn't occur any more?

Thanks in advance!

[SM] Listing 58 plugins:
           01 "[CSS/CS:GO] AbNeR Bunny Hoping" (1.5) by AbNeR_CSS
           02 "Admin File Reader" (1.6.3-dev+4597) by AlliedModders LLC
           03 "admin-highlight.smx"
           04 "Admin Help" (1.6.3-dev+4597) by AlliedModders LLC
           05 "Admin Menu" (1.6.3-dev+4597) by AlliedModders LLC
           06 "Advertisements" (0.6) by Tsunami
           07 "AFK Manager" (3.5.3) by Rothgar
           08 "Anti-Flood" (1.6.3-dev+4597) by AlliedModders LLC
           09 "Basic Chat" (1.6.3-dev+4597) by AlliedModders LLC
           10 "Basic Comm Control" (1.6.3-dev+4597) by AlliedModders LLC
           11 "Basic Commands" (1.6.3-dev+4597) by AlliedModders LLC
           12 "Basic Info Triggers" (1.6.3) by AlliedModders LLC
           13 "Basic Votes" (1.6.3-dev+4597) by AlliedModders LLC
           14 "Client Preferences" (1.6.3-dev+4597) by AlliedModders LLC
           16 "Fun Commands" (1.6.3-dev+4597) by AlliedModders LLC
           17 "Fun Votes" (1.6.3-dev+4597) by AlliedModders LLC
           18 "MapChooser Extended" (1.10.2) by Powerlord, Zuko, and AlliedModders LLC
           19 "No Block" (1.0.0.0) by sslice
           20 "No Fall Damage" (0.0.1.9) by alexip121093
           21 "Map Nominations Extended" (1.10.0) by Powerlord and AlliedModders LLC
           22 "Player Commands" (1.6.3-dev+4597) by AlliedModders LLC
           23 "Redie and be a ghost" (2.15) by Chanz, MeoW
           24 "Reserved Slots" (1.6.3-dev+4597) by AlliedModders LLC
           25 "Player Respawn" (1.5) by Rogue
           26 "Rock The Vote Extended" (1.10.0) by Powerlord and AlliedModders LLC
           27 "[CSGO] Block "Saved Player" Text" (1.0.0) by Mitch
           28 "SourceBans: Admins" (2.0.0-dev) by GameConnect
           29 "SourceBans: Bans" (2.0.0-dev) by GameConnect
           30 "SourceBans: Submission" (2.0.0-dev) by GameConnect
           31 "SourceBans: View Bans" (2.0.0-dev) by GameConnect
           32 "Simple Chat Processor (Redux)" (2.1.0) by Simple Plugins, Mini
           33 "CS:GO Skins Chooser" (1.2.3) by Root
           34 "Beam me up, Scotty" (1.2) by Sinsic
           35 "SM File/Folder Downloader and Precacher" (1.4) by SWAT_88
           36 "Knife Upgrade" (2.5.2) by Klexen
           37 "Sound Commands" (1.6.3-dev+4597) by AlliedModders LLC
           38 "SourceBans" (2.0.0-dev) by GameConnect
           39 "Spawn Protection [Added CS:GO Support]" (1.5 [CS:GO Support]) by Fredd
           40 "[Store] Backend" (1.1-alpha) by alongub
           41 "[Store] Core" (1.1-alpha) by alongub
           42 "[Store] Distributor" (1.1-alpha) by alongub
           43 "[Store] Equipment" (1.1-alpha) by alongub
           44 "[Store] Gifting" (1.1-alpha) by alongub
           45 "[Store] Inventory" (1.1-alpha) by alongub
           46 "[Store] Loadout" (1.1-alpha) by alongub
           47 "[Store] Logging" (1.1-alpha) by alongub
           48 "[Store] NadeSkins" (1.1-alpha) by Phault
           49 "[Store] NadeTrails" (1.1-alpha) by Phault
           50 "[Store] Refund" (1.1-alpha) by alongub
           51 "[Store] Shop" (1.1-alpha) by alongub
           52 "Store Team Bets" (2.6 store version) by GrimReaper - Original by ferret and edited for store by Franc1sco franug
           53 "[Store] Tracers" (1.0.1) by Franc1sco steam: franug
           54 "[Store] Trails" (1.1-alpha) by alongub
           55 "SwitchKnifes" (0.26) by Pyro
           56 "TeamChange Unlimited" (1.2.2) by Sheepdude
           57 "thirdperson.smx"
           58 "Web Shortcuts CS:GO version" (1.1) by James "sslice" Gray and Franc1sco franug

EDIT: After much observation, it seems to be the !redie plugin causing the issues.

Here are some notes for when bug appeared:
Arms disappeared, switch knife then shoot
Arms disappeared as soon as ct typed !redie (or close to it), about 8 people online, no weapon switch was really happening
another case where a !redie was close to when a player I was specing lost arms
!redie does something, then perhaps switching guns triggers the arm disappearance
arms disappear when you kill someone and they type !redie

It seems to me that either your arms disappear as soon as you kill someone or as soon as a player you kill types !redie (goes into !redie mode).

EDIT 2: After removing !redie plugin and using an older more basic !redie plugin, the issue stopped happening completely. Its been fine for 1+ month now.

[hamilton5]

yup, basically.

[PersianMG]

Originally Posted by hamilton5 yup, basically.

What do you mean?

I noticed actually that arms dont reappear on respawn if you survive rounds.

However, upon being killed and respawning, they do appear.

The actual time they disappear still seems random but it seems to occur when you switch a weapon/shoot it?

[Maxximou5]

Originally Posted by PersianMG Is the only way I can test to disable plugins 1 by 1 until people report it doesn't occur any more?

Unfortunately so... Unless you checked each plugin page for those that would interfere for that same issue. However that is only 4 plugins so I doubt it would take that long. My guess is on Knife Upgrade and SwitchKnifes conflicting with each other, or the thirdperson is removing the guns thinking it needs to be removed.

[PersianMG]

Originally Posted by Maxximou5 Unfortunately so... Unless you checked each plugin page for those that would interfere for that same issue. However that is only 4 plugins so I doubt it would take that long. My guess is on Knife Upgrade and SwitchKnifes conflicting with each other, or the thirdperson is removing the guns thinking it needs to be removed.

Okay I will start disabling them one by one and see if issue occurs.
I'll report back with findings.

However what is the most annoying is I can't reproduce the issue. I have no idea what causes the arms to disappear and it seems to occur at random times. I don't know if other peoples activity (using commands) is causing it but there are no commands used close to when the arms disappear.

EDIT: Seems like we had a player have his arms disappear 5 minutes after removing both knife plugins. Right now testing by removing skin chooser.

[Dragonidas]

07 "AFK Manager" (3.5.3) by Rothgar < this plugin np.

[PersianMG]

Originally Posted by Dragonidas 07 "AFK Manager" (3.5.3) by Rothgar < this plugin np.

Hmm I searched the thread and didn't find much on missing arms. Also i'm not running SMAC.
The person who has their arms go missing isnt actually moved to anywhere by AFK manager. Also it doesnt seem like anyone else is moved close to the time the arms disappear.

Anyway, more arms disappeared when Skin Chooser was disabled.
Now disabling AFK Manager and thirdperson to test.

[PersianMG]

Okay so an update.
AFK manager and thirdperson were disabled and arms disappeared (reported by a server admin).
He said he was switching knife (kind of spamming q but he does it often) and it disappeared randomly.

Not sure where to go from here, i'm thinking redie plugin maybe.

[Maxximou5]

I believe the series of store plugins had an issue with this, but I don't remember which one. I know smac had this problem but it was due to Valve, and obviously you aren't running smac.

The redie plugin may be a problem if your players used a bomb and switched fast enough it killed the wrong entity. Only thing I can think of at the moment.

[PersianMG]

Originally Posted by Maxximou5 I believe the series of store plugins had an issue with this, but I don't remember which one. I know smac had this problem but it was due to Valve, and obviously you aren't running smac. The redie plugin may be a problem if your players used a bomb and switched fast enough it killed the wrong entity. Only thing I can think of at the moment.

I'm going to remove redie on a local but mirrored server tomorrow to try and see if it doesn't occur to me (as removing it on the server would be quite annoying to the players).

I don't think the bomb is related, arms disappear for players without the bomb and on maps with no bomb plant (this is a surf server) and for CTs too.

It could possible be store equipment as that is attaching stuff to the player model but it doesn't seem to happen at any specific time. Like when someone equips a new item or removes an item. Perhaps some action another player is doing is making some other player lose their arms.

Not sure what to test next :/