[asherkin]

Originally Posted by Powerlord I was including VAC2 in that, which is used by Source games... although CS:GO may be using VAC3 by now, not sure.

All games are using the "VAC3" module.

Originally Posted by Backstabnoob You probably don't know how VAC works. The software only changes the mouse pointer on the fly, which has absolutely zero impact on what VAC detects. VAC scans for known hack patterns in the memory.

You are woefully misinformed. I also don't think it's much of a stretch to say that software classifies as a cheat even in the traditional sense.

[dany123]

So backatab you 100% sure it won't ban (did u see the link)

[Backstabnoob]

Yes I'm 100% sure.

@asherkin: How exactly am I wrong? You said I'm misinformed without any facts, so I'm just wondering.

Wikipedia:

It uses heuristics to detect possible cheats when scanning the computer's memory, an incident report is created whenever an anomaly is detected, which is then analyzed by Valve's engineers. The engineers inspect the code and may also run it on their own copies of the game. If the code is confirmed as a cheat, it is added to the database of cheat codes. New detections are also compared to previous detections in this database.

Valve article: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_...7849-RADZ-6869

The Valve Anti-Cheat system is enabled for servers displaying the Secured shield logo. Using custom skins, sounds or maps and playing multi-player mods which do not modify core .EXE and .DLL files will not result in a VAC ban

A simple mouse driver that changes the mouse pointer by macros doesn't sound like modifying core .EXE/.DLL files to me. This quote pretty much sounds like anything that isn't a memory injection shouldn't get you banned.

Please explain to me how VAC works then so I'm no longer "woefully" misinformed.

[ANTICHRISTUS]

Originally Posted by asherkin I also don't think it's much of a stretch to say that software classifies as a cheat even in the traditional sense.

if it's not a cheat, can we call it an immaculate gameplay ?
is there something else than "to be right or to be wrong" in the binary numeral system ?

Originally Posted by dany123 So backatab you 100% sure it won't ban

the whole world got derailed, its precepts were falsified. to be wrong today became normal, and to be correct became retarded.
go ahead, buy that mouse if it's your only preoccupation.

[asherkin]

"Modern" VAC has included modules for (Valve add new ones and rotate old detections out all the time, 5 or so are generally active at any one time):

• Checks on the game process's module list, which are then hashed and compared to known cheats (this is pretty much the only one that ever get's talked about).
  Valve had to expand past this with the advent of polymorphic cheats and other cases where they can't get the actual binaries.
• Hashing and comparing window titles to known DLL injectors (a hilariously bad one from the good old days, hopefully long gone by now).
• The infamous recent collection of DNS resolution history for comparison to known cheat C&C servers.
• Using the Windows debug APIs to check if the process has been opened with remote memory access (relatively new, causes temporary bans in some Valve games).
• Hashes of the game's binaries' code sections, to detect detours (Note: not looking for known cheats, just any changes).
• I seem to remember reading something about SEH-based detours (which are used to evade ^) now being detected, so something for that.
• There is a blacklist of device drivers which is used to combat Ring-0 cheats (combined with the requirement that DEP is enabled).
• At least several more that have been well documented but I can't remember off the top of my head - it's been maaaaany years since I cared about the internals of VAC, and the best site for information is now dead and gone.

A number of these are heuristic-based and don't trigger a ban directly, but do bring in deeper scans and other scrutiny.

As I said in my last post, I think it's perfectly within the realm of reason to say that using a mouse designed to combat recoil (a popular function of many traditional cheats) is cheating, and thus it's irrelevant whether VAC currently detects it - but whether it may do in the future.

[Backstabnoob]

I see, thanks for explanation. However, I still stand by my argument - he won't be VAC banned for this. Whether or not is it cheating is up to everyone (a driver that moves the mouse down in the y axis is hardly a cheat), but if anything, they'd definitely throw out a warning if they decided to completely block drivers of branded mice. The method this works is most likely undetectable.

[Mordekay]

If you don't know how to play the game without this: play Tetris.
Just my two cents on this mouse.

[Backstabnoob]

It's a brand, not a mouse. Quite popular across the Europe while at it (especially for the amazing value of their mice). I agree that it's not fair, despite the fact that other 250 million programs for mouse macros can already do this (and many people use them), though.

[Mordekay]

I havn't looked closer on the page as he was talking about "buying a new mouse", but that's no difference. If he needs this he should play Tetris instead.
Where is the reason in playing with such "little helpers"? Did i won the game or was it the software i used? I never understood guys doing this, as i want to play a game i can win (or loose), not my computer.

[Backstabnoob]

I agree with that, but this discussion is about something else. The real question is if it's VAC detectable, which it isn't because it's a macro and not a cheat. Well, unless Valve decides to black list everyone using those mice, which is a pretty hefty amount of people across the Europe (and doing so would be a pitifully stupid move as people with mice from other brands would start questioning their drivers too).