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Originally Posted by sorrybro
...I'm sorry but if you want more players, you have to do it like everyone else and spend a lot of time on the servers, make friends, and eventually a large group of them. Not everyone is able to do this due to their personality and time for example, but you can always find someone who is good with people if they like you to help you with that. All this takes time and work. Other servers are not to blame for your server, and as you said, you should be proud of what you have, but why blame others for YOUR work?
..These server owners [those who run !ws] remind me of people who ddos other communities and CHEAT to hurt others, unfortunately innocent others as well. However, ads have nothing to do with it. People always will cheat if easily possible and if they can get away with it, which seems to be the situation for now.
As for the claims that ads shouldn't exist since players can donate instead, it is just not true for everyone. Many players struggle to donate, and I don't see why people can't use some other form of fundraising, like ads, to support their passion or hobby. Saying how one does not like ads so people should run strictly on donations does not seem necessary at all...
Like someone have said recently here, some are looking at weapon skins as an argument, but overlook the fact that many of these servers do a great job and have done a lot of great stuff with their communities while creating a CULTURE that is very important to some players, and is the reason why these players return every day. I can confidently say that it takes more than some stupid weapon skin plugin to have players return to a community. Some players tell me how important some communities are as they create a culture and a way to spend their free time for them in a way it's so important that they play EVERY DAY. Also, ads are secondary to these server owners, but it is a significant form of fundraising for them and is a CRITICAL downfall for losing that feature where some may not afford to do it at all afterwards. We don't force others to run ads, we just ask to let us do it, as there is nothing harmful about it as players have so many other options if they don't like it.
...the VERY FEW who made some pretty bad arguments, like suing valve lmao, what a way to lose credibility in your voice...
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Why ignore the good arguments and respond to the trolls? I think it's safe to say no one appreciates what ASKER_CZ has to say, from both sides. Honestly not even sure if he is mature enough yet with the type of comments he has made. Many are not "proud" like him and feels they are above anyone else. Many of us who run ads actually rely on them to operate and not to fill ourselves with pride like ASKER does.
One's experience does not make it definite and correlation does not make it causation. Many don't run !ws plugins and do great. It shouldn't even be linked to ads as people will run weaponskins whether ads exist or not. It's a matter of if they can run the thing and bypass patches, and as mentioned before I'm sure valve can or even will implement a hard-coded patch in the future.
Not every player in every community can donate and I don't see why a different form of fundraising should be removed just because people do well with other forms. It's great you have donators, but it shouldn't mean others should be forced to only use donations as a means of raising funds. Just because players don't donate doesn't mean your running a bad server either.
As for the copyright issue, valve does have rights to all the content, and if they wanted they would have taken action. Having this in their TOS is a means of protecting their property if a competitor would try to hurt them, but they really don't have much of a reason to stop server owners from using their work to improve their community, please think outside the !ws servers, think we can all agree they suck. Look at the NBA highlight videos from example, and remember the link being posted here on how the NBA Commissioner actually supports these guys despite them using their "property" while running ads as he feels it helps the community rather than hurt them. Many of us are fans of valve obviously and it's not like we are out to take over their market in any way nor is it even possible from some average hobbyists.
Most of us are not like ASKER and it's sad to see him get taken seriously and people see him as some kind of representation of other people. Some of us actually spend a lot of time on the servers, creating valuable experiences, with players coming back every day WITHOUT ANY CARE of the small gimmicks like weapon skins. It's really unbelievable for me on how people value that so much, and the real issue is abusers ignoring valve's requests, and I find that so awful. Despite that, the !ws plugins are super overrated and I could care less about them, and also feel they have little to no value.
For those who are not happy with the amount of players they have, you have to do what everyone else does and put the time and work into recruiting, making friends, and having people return every day. Have about 20 committed friends who come on every day and it will be more than enough to have others find your server. Hoping others to have their servers shut down won't help your work. It's actually a concerning attitude...
As for someone here who said valve will think bad about the situation from the bad posts here made from a few people, I doubt that. Some of the posts here are actually good, and the bad ones are pretty obvious, and is ridiculous. I think most can filter out some bad points and see some of the good points made here, as there are good points being made from both sides. Would be nice to see more better arguments being made rather than player count or weapon skins.
In my opinion, those two things are irrelevant to ads. It's more about why some players hate them, like loud volume for example, and if those who run ads should be penalized for opinions had by one side, where many players support ads and the servers who run them by playing on them every day. Claiming players are suffering or being hurt in some way is so false as they have all the freedom in the world to not play on servers that run ads that use it to support their operations.