[Zenith77]

Originally Posted by Juba_PornBorn The all 1st part unfortunately is true. About the predictions on the future and the actual events we cant know yet for sure but those same people are again making a lot of money with wars and we all know that.

Yea, I think everyone does but at the same time they don't really do anything about it. It's no secret that Bush has close ties with the oil business (for God's sake his family's in it and the fact that major names in that industry sponsored his campaign, yay for special interests), and at the same time we're the dominant political authority in Iraq right now: a land full of oil fields.

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Also, for those of you that live in America, remember the days of cheap gas? Now these days, all of sudden oil barrels are spiking to 70$ a gallon, the highest they have ever been and yet we are the dominant political authority in the very place they are coming from. People will try to explain this due to the absence of oil rigs off the coast of Louisiana, one word: bull shit. I have friend's who work in Louisiana and who work on those very oil rigs. Guess what, they're running better than ever. So why haven't gas prices gown down; you do the math.

[sawce]

I was talking more along the lines of, all or most of the major religions are based off of the same principles, which were derived from ancient Egypt. The stars, the sun, etc, etc. But the whole religion part is rather good.

[Juba_PornBorn]

Actually it was derived from an even more ancestral civilization.

Like the all Adam and Eve thing in the garden of Eden might of been a way to tell that we did came from the monkeys spread by hundreds of generations while evolving like the oldest Tail of Mankind. The fire sword that cast them out of Eden linked with the climate changes that caused large jungle areas to desapear caused by intense fires that drove the Monkeys to the savana forcing them to walk on two feet. Wich in anyway makes God existence not being acepted.
Imagine someone to explain a peasant 6000 years ago the evolution of Man. He couldn't compreend it in other way then the Adan and Eve story. God makes is things but it's up to us to entrepretate them correctly. The all story is there but it was Man who wrote it in the way people from is time could compreend.

[Zenith77]

You know with the whole astrology thing, it makes you wonder how many more metaphors are in the Bible and what it's really referring to (as stated before Adam and Eve).

Just as an example:
See Christianity can actually fit snuggly with evolution and actually while doing this actually radically increases the chance of evolution happening (molecules to man evolution, not decent with variation since we know this happens).

Two principles:
1. The bible says God does not control nature, rather he manipulates it. Which is why in some sources the author calls God the "semi-competent".
2. God made Adam from the soil.

See where I'm going with this?

I'm just giving a general outline, but I hope my original point about metaphors/true meaning/interpreting/etc was made.

[Roach]

Um...the easier way to link the two is to say that "God Time" doesnt equal "man time." Therefore a "day" in gods time could be millions of years in "man time."

But creationists are just too dense to even fathom such a simple way to explain things and tie science into religion.

For the record...I'm an agnostic.

[Zenith77]

Originally Posted by Roach Um...the easier way to link the two is to say that "God Time" doesnt equal "man time." Therefore a "day" in gods time could be millions of years in "man time." But creationists are just too dense to even fathom such a simple way to explain things and tie science into religion. For the record...I'm an agnostic.

While this is accepted by some, it cannot be accepted by majority since you're supposed to take the old testament literally (laws, etc). But if I can find the verse it even says

Originally Posted by Me trying to remember this verse the best I can A day for God is but unto a thousand years for man.

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As for me personally, I believe the earth is older than 6,000 years but not by the billions. Since:

1.) I don't believe that random chance could've produced the world we know today (molecules to man evolution)
2.) C14 tests have been proven to be inaccurate yet is still used.

[Juba_PornBorn]

But creationists are just too dense to even fathom such a simple way to explain things and tie science into religion.

Tell me the best way you can how would you explain a peasant or any men from 6000 years ago evolution. Especialy if you have not acess to paper, drawings and animal species.

[Roach]

Originally Posted by Juba_PornBorn Tell me the best way you can how would you explain a peasant or any men from 6000 years ago evolution. Especialy if you have not acess to paper, drawings and animal species.

Um...6000 years ago really isn't much of an argument. I dont see how you are even attempting to make this a logical point. Nobody 6k years ago would believe anything we tell them sans evidence. Explaining it to anyone 300+ years ago would be like explaining macroeconomics to a rock. Without evidence and fossils to back things up then its pointless to even attempt.

Once again, where are you going w/ this line of logic/argument?

Originally Posted by Zenith77 While this is accepted by some, it cannot be accepted by majority since you're supposed to take the old testament literally (laws, etc).

And this simple reason, my friend, is just one of many reasons as to why I am an agnostic and don't believe in Christianity. There are too many contradictions in verse, and in the way things are interpreted. Either you take things literally or you take them metaphorically. You cant have both in the same work.

The Bible is a book that can teach some good moral values to people. Otherwise, its just a book of stories.

[Zenith77]

Oh look what I found:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4kxTkhwR_Q

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Gotta watch this tonight.