[gamer_kanelita]

it does not work for me, download the files but still lowering a lot of HP to the tank and the witch, any solution? Either command or cvar?

[gamer_kanelita]

because it hurts that now this plugin doesn't work anymore, they don't obey, does anyone know if there is another similar plugin or at least for the witch?

[Toranks]

FINALLY! Confirm this works for me on a listen server, even though the plugin says not to support it, erasing the line that detect it on main.sp (!IsDedicatedServer). Not forget to erase '#define DEBUG' too or will get a chat message every hit, very useful to check if the plugin works, but not to play. This need to be recompiled with the tools included in the zip file.
I've tested Charger, Witch and Tank. No more 2-kills 4-kills or 20-kills respectively, you can number the exact damage that each melee hit does, so how many hits you need depends on your custom HP of each special (via cvars, z_tank_healt, etc)

Another very useful plugin that I have been looking for a long time, buried in the forum. I hope my post will encourage more people to use it, works perfect with SM 1.11 and windows listen server.

[Bacardi]

Originally Posted by Toranks FINALLY! Confirm this works for me on a listen server, even though the plugin says not to support it, erasing the line that detect it on main.sp (!IsDedicatedServer). Not forget to erase '#define DEBUG' too or will get a chat message every hit, very useful to check if the plugin works, but not to play. This need to be recompiled with the tools included in the zip file. I've tested Charger, Witch and Tank. No more 2-kills 4-kills or 20-kills respectively, you can number the exact damage that each melee hit does, so how many hits you need depends on your custom HP of each special (via cvars, z_tank_healt, etc) Another very useful plugin that I have been looking for a long time, buried in the forum. I hope my post will encourage more people to use it, works perfect with SM 1.11 and windows listen server.

...anyway
SourceMod not support Listen Servers. Use Source Dedicated Server (SRCDS)

[Marttt]

supporting it or not, from my experience, works almost like the same. (never had any issues in years, except for hard-coded stuff like the one mentioned above)
don't know why this is mentioned as an outdoor in every related topic, is like SM would be jailed cause supported a listen server, looks harmless, but who knows the real reason.

[Bacardi]

Originally Posted by Marttt supporting it or not, from my experience, works almost like the same. (never had any issues in years, except for hard-coded stuff like the one mentioned above) don't know why this is mentioned as an outdoor in every related topic, is like SM would be jailed cause supported a listen server, looks harmless, but who knows the real reason.

You can't run mods/plugins from client side, unless you disable VAC with -insecure parameter.
That is why.

*plus
There are some differences between SRCDS and client side server. To avoid confuse between these two, you should focus only on SRCDS.

Users in here forum can't even mention in they first post of topic, what game at issue.

[Psyk0tik]

Originally Posted by Marttt supporting it or not, from my experience, works almost like the same. (never had any issues in years, except for hard-coded stuff like the one mentioned above) don't know why this is mentioned as an outdoor in every related topic, is like SM would be jailed cause supported a listen server, looks harmless, but who knows the real reason.

Originally Posted by Bacardi You can't run mods/plugins from client side, unless you disable VAC with -insecure parameter. That is why. *plus There are some differences between SRCDS and client side server. To avoid confuse between these two, you should focus only on SRCDS. Users in here forum can't even mention in they first post of topic, what game at issue.

We're getting off-topic here, but I do want to expand on Bacardi's post by sharing my thoughts on the topic of listen servers not being supported.

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I think that one reason it should be brought up in every related topic is because we don't want to normalize providing support for or discussing the support of listen servers. If we don't remind users that SM doesn't provide support for them, then it gives a false pretense that SM is guaranteed to work on them, which the developers themselves never imply nor explicitly state anywhere.

Yes, SM can work on listen servers (and I never saw any of the developers deny that), but by normalizing the use of listen servers through discussions, you'd be setting a precedent where users will expect SM and SM plugins to support listen servers. Then when someone reports that they're experiencing problems with SM on their listen servers, they're going to assume that it's a "valid" issue that the developers need to address.

You also have to consider that the more users expect SM to support listen servers, the more work they'll expect from plugin authors as well to support both dedicated and listen servers. If you, as a plugin author, wish to provide support for listen servers through your plugins, that's completely fine, but it shouldn't be encouraged to use listen servers over dedicated servers.

I've had personal experiences where my plugins caused issues on listen servers and the users who reported those issues omitted that detail, so it was mind-boggling and a waste of time for both the reporters and myself since I only use dedicated servers to test my plugins.

TL;DR: I think not mentioning it can lead to scenarios where users will think listen servers are supported and any issues they encounter with SM and/or SM plugins will be "valid."

[Marttt]

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Spoiler

Originally Posted by Bacardi Users in here forum can't even mention in they first post of topic, what game at issue.

Changing the forum to being mandatory to inform the "Game" while creating a thread probably would help in that refinement.

if SM exception could display which game, plugin version, OS and if is a "Listen Server" in the log would save a lot of time as well.
But every time someone opens a request for that the answer is "naaaaaaaah"

Anyway, I understand the arguments but since is really "unsupported" should add a block in the core to fail SM if running a listen server and end of history.

About the plugin, just a note,
I remember that in commons, melee used to spam a lot of damages > 0 while using "OnTakeDamage",
e.g: 300 damage a lot of times in the same "frame"

Don't know if this has changed in some update or if some melee specific behavior, but may happen on SI as well.