[zacky]

This is what it says in group:

Valve updated cs1.6 beta (duck randomly blocked) posted by .:::}»Thè°Ñûmß«{:::. | save kz @ 09:41PM on May 05, 2009 Now Valve updated beta (again). Hoping that it will make things better (_MAYBE_ hoping). Anyway, will get to the point. We will wish slowdown idea back instead of this. Now duck is _RANDOMLY_ blocked (depends on fps). Yes, you heard right - ducking is randomly blocked! With 100fps delay after two ducks is about 20 seconds. The lower fps are - the smaller delay is. But as you already can guess. This again ruins kz. And even more than than slowdown... Ah, Valve... Also lets talk about one more feature what they added. Valve added cs1.3 style no-slow-down when ducking. All cause pro cs players are ducking after doubleduck to get in small places without slowdown (places like under some train in de_train, or that hole in the wall at B plant in de_dust2). In other words your speed is lowered down to ducked speed only when you are _FULLY_ ducked. Valve probably don't understand that it's an advantage and there is no use from it if all players will be able to do so. Plus again - it will result in all wr's reset... No comments... Pro-shooters, skilled-coders, kz-jumpers, and others are contacting Valve but as you can guess results are really low. So we are suggesting to set download options to "Do not automatically update this game" in worst case scenario. But as you can guess KZ must to stick with newest versions of steam/cs, so this wont help kreedz at all, but maybe you will get some more minutes with real CS (or at least what's left of it). Awaiting more news from Valve...

[minimiller]

not only does this ruin KZ it ruins normal gameplay completely
They just dont listen to us at all KZers or normal players...?

[Xellath]

Originally Posted by minimiller not only does this ruin KZ it ruins normal gameplay completely They just dont listen to us at all KZers or normal players...?

Yeah, for once they could listen, just for once! This will ruin all kinds of movements in CS and become..oh, what the hell.. VALVe, you guys stink!


As we're not tortured enough?

[ConnorMcLeod]

Originally Posted by minimiller They just dont listen to us at all KZers or normal players...?

Don't you think that the fact they changed 2 times the way they fixed russian proves that thay are listening to communities/players ?

[purple_pixie]

Originally Posted by ConnorMcLeod Don't you think that the fact they changed 2 times the way they fixed russian proves that thay are listening to communities/players ?

Kind of the point I was thinking ...

It seems kinda clear that Valve *do* listen to the people who tell them these things - just maybe not so many are telling them "Oh noes, your fix that makes the whole of CS for every player more fair is making this really freaking retarded mod not quite work right"

Or are kz players just more important because that's what you play?

Try getting stats for vanilla CS 1.6 players vs kz players.
I reckon the vanilla gamers have you beat by at least 5, if not 10 whole players!

(And maybe more than that, if you don't get sarcasm)

[minimiller]

Ok fair enough valve are trying to fix bugs and help us, but they are doing it completely wrong
As a punishment for DDing they block duck for another 10 seconds!?!
i would like to punch whoever came up with that idea
The easy solution that every1 likes would be to keep DDing, and just add in a louder footstep
KZers can now continue CJing etc.
"vanilla" players can continue russian walking but with an added footstep so people can hear them coming

FYI: the entire KZ community put together accumilates (spelling) over 200,000 people

[Stixsmaster]

The sound idea just seems stupid to me...I like the fix in my opinion...

---Stixsmaster

[Styles]

We shoudl make a site to potition this, and get people to like sign it... or something along those lines and show it to valve.

[minimiller]

well, theres plently of threeads in steam forums that act the same but no fucker from valve wil ever read them

[Stixsmaster]

lol 20$ says they do get read...but majority rules with the 'fix' as it seems like a good idea to me...

Only problem is you cant see who has read the threads...

---Stixsmaster