Eye Test module - Page 23

step · 05-17-2013 , 09:34 Re: Eye Test module

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Originally Posted by step

I think these ones must be a false positive:

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L 05/08/2013 - 13:42:56: [smac_eyetest.smx | 0.8.4.1] Rockboo (ID: STEAM_1:0:15016276 | IP: 78.219.50.10) was banned for cheating with their eye angles. Eye Angles: 2 426 0
    Map: l4d2_diescraper2_streets_33 | Origin: 1668 1325 -191 | Angles: 2 409 0 | Weapon: weapon_rifle_m60 | Team: 2 | Latency: 68ms

L 05/10/2013 - 14:51:26: [smac_eyetest.smx | 0.8.4.1] chris6496 (ID: STEAM_1:1:54460757 | IP: 91.46.215.69) was banned for cheating with their eye angles. Eye Angles: 6 421 0
    Map: l4d2_diescraper2_streets_33 | Origin: 1666 1326 -191 | Angles: 6 414 0 | Weapon: weapon_melee | Team: 2 | Latency: 94ms

L 05/09/2013 - 16:33:45: [smac_eyetest.smx | 0.8.4.1] BACKSTEIN (ID: STEAM_1:0:2969172 | IP: 37.24.152.156) was banned for cheating with their eye angles. Eye Angles: 2 420 0
    Map: l4d2_diescraper2_streets_33 | Origin: 1670 1325 -191 | Angles: 2 418 0 | Weapon: weapon_shotgun_spas | Team: 2 | Latency: 57ms

And I wonder if these are valid:

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L 05/09/2013 - 04:12:36: [smac_eyetest.smx | 0.8.4.1] ♠_ĐíαВǿłłσZz Ћ∂zз (ID: STEAM_1:1:14375179 | IP: 85.181.133.31) was banned for cheating with their eye angles. Eye Angles: 366 108 0
    Map: c8m3_sewers | Origin: 10837 4743 16 | Angles: 0 105 0 | Weapon: weapon_pistol | Team: 2 | Latency: 75ms

L 05/10/2013 - 15:45:02: [smac_eyetest.smx | 0.8.4.1] Orphan[CH.] (ID: STEAM_1:1:60349862 | IP: 182.242.125.145) was banned for tampering with an old movement command (tickcount). CmdNum: 1433524 | [1530:1526:1548]
    Map: c3m1_plankcountry | Origin: -12537 10537 244 | Angles: 4 -91 0 | Weapon: weapon_boomer_claw | Team: 3 | Latency: 743ms

L 05/10/2013 - 20:57:36: [smac_eyetest.smx | 0.8.4.1] Киска (ID: STEAM_1:0:53498964 | IP: 87.225.34.251) was banned for reusing old movement commands. CmdNum: 50532 PrevCmdNum: 1433524 | [19639:19640:19653]
    Map: c5m2_park | Origin: -9483 -2965 -247 | Angles: -7 28 0 | Weapon: weapon_smg_silenced | Team: 2 | Latency: 226ms

L 05/11/2013 - 09:00:26: [smac_eyetest.smx | 0.8.4.1] Dark (ID: STEAM_1:1:52575007 | IP: 177.64.139.253) was banned for tampering with an old movement command (buttons). CmdNum: 1433524 | [0:512]
    Map: c2m1_highway | Origin: 10454 8091 -527 | Angles: 0 -169 0 | Weapon: weapon_shotgun_chrome | Team: 2 | Latency: 260ms

I guess the old movement detections are valid since they all used 1433524, but what about the first one?

Thanks

Anyone? Please notice the first 3 detections are on the same map and very similar origins and angles.

scso1502 · 05-17-2013 , 11:55 Re: Eye Test module

That steam account for Backstein has at least one previous VAC ban.

Here's an entry in a SourceBans system from last year:

http://bans.teamniederbayern.com/ind...69172+&Submit=

Here's his Steam Info: http://steamidconverter.com/STEAM_1:0:2969172

Judging by the fact he has no TF2 inventory any more, I'd say his TF2 account is VAC now Banned too. I'd say it's a very legit ban.

step · 05-17-2013 , 12:00 Re: Eye Test module

Sure, his vac ban is suspicious, but what about the other two guys banned just before him?
Three different players banned on similar circumstances like that, and knowing SMAC had some false positives before on custom maps on L4D2, is what makes me doubt.

step · 05-17-2013 , 12:10 Re: Eye Test module

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L 05/16/2013 - 20:48:14: [smac_eyetest.smx | 0.8.4.1] Xyanide (ID: STEAM_1:1:10208722 | IP: 62.195.197.108) was banned for cheating with their eye angles. Eye Angles: 4 422 0
    Map: l4d2_diescraper2_streets_33 | Origin: 1668 1325 -191 | Angles: 4 415 0 | Weapon: weapon_sniper_military | Team: 2 | Latency: 68ms

Another one, very similar...

scso1502 · 05-17-2013 , 12:12 Re: Eye Test module

I understand your concerns completely. I recently posted a similar concern about the number of TF2 and CSS players getting banned on my servers for Eye Angles Violations and asked for some clarification from the Devs.

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Since May 1st, our servers have seen 50+ Sourcebans autobans for the following:

SMAC 0.8.4.0: Eye Test Violation

I find it almost impossible to believe that we've had 50 players in 12 days that are cheating or manipulating their settings like this.

Historically, the most frequent ban we have is for Eye Test Violations and the number of them is just staggering, like well into the hundreds. Is this problem really as big as it appears?

I'm curious what your thoughts are on this.

Thank you

I got this in response which help me understand how it works:

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Eye Angles Violations are one of the most biggest things that the common cheats cause, and it's impossible for them to work around for the same functionality (as they can with convars, which used to be the highest detection rate when KAC was first around).

So in essences, I interpret Asherikin's reply to mean that the "Eye Angles Test" can be somewhat of a "Generic" response for cheating because the eye test failures are caused by multiple different cheats. The player could use any number of cheats to trigger an Eye Angles violation so you will likely start seeing more and more of these like I have.

I have never received a protest from a player for this trigger and most if not all have bans from other communities or VAC. I'm no expert, but I'd say they're legit.

Good luck!

Warm Regards and have a great day..[/QUOTE]

step · 05-17-2013 , 13:22 Re: Eye Test module

I've read his response and I understand it, but what is making me doubt is this common element:
Map: l4d2_diescraper2_streets_33 | Origin: 1668 1325 -191 | Angles: 4 415 0

It's very strange that 4 different players have been banned with those 3 elements in common

GoD-Tony · 05-17-2013 , 15:13 Re: Eye Test module

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Originally Posted by step

I've read his response and I understand it, but what is making me doubt is this common element:
It's very strange that 4 different players have been banned with those 3 elements in common

There could be a compatibility issue with the custom map and SMAC. Do you have a link that we could download it from?

step · 05-17-2013 , 15:15 Re: Eye Test module

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Originally Posted by GoD-Tony

There could be a compatibility issue with the custom map and SMAC. Do you have a link that we could download it from?

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfile.../?id=121116980

Also, another guy banned with the same details:

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L 05/11/2013 - 21:59:50: [smac_eyetest.smx | 0.8.4.1] Astarothe (ID: STEAM_1:1:28831846 | IP: 2.9.102.52) was banned for cheating with their eye angles. Eye Angles: 9 420 0
    Map: l4d2_diescraper2_streets_33 | Origin: 1670 1325 -191 | Angles: 10 409 0 | Weapon: weapon_melee | Team: 2 | Latency: 112ms

step · 05-23-2013 , 15:59 Re: Eye Test module

I think I found some more false positives for L4D2.

Notice how the players are always on the survivor team and holding pistol (probably at map/round start).

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L 05/09/2013 - 04:12:36: [smac_eyetest.smx | 0.8.4.1] ♠_ĐíαВǿłłσZz Ћ∂zз (ID: STEAM_1:1:14375179 | IP: 85.181.133.31) was banned for cheating with their eye angles. Eye Angles: 366 108 0
    Map: c8m3_sewers | Origin: 10837 4743 16 | Angles: 0 105 0 | Weapon: weapon_pistol | Team: 2 | Latency: 75ms

L 05/18/2013 - 22:03:39: [smac_eyetest.smx | 0.8.4.1] Negr ve tmě (ID: STEAM_1:0:26717790 | IP: 81.0.215.242) is suspected of cheating with their eye angles. Eye Angles: 361 -154 0
    Map: c10m1_caves | Origin: -11627 -14831 -215 | Angles: 0 118 0 | Weapon: weapon_pistol | Team: 2 | Latency: 61ms

L 05/20/2013 - 22:11:28: [smac_eyetest.smx | 0.8.4.1] SmiiiiiiiiiiiX (ID: STEAM_1:0:40563426 | IP: 41.250.30.210) was banned for cheating with their eye angles. Eye Angles: 370 -145 0
    Map: c2m1_highway | Origin: 10756 7848 -543 | Angles: 0 160 0 | Weapon: weapon_pistol | Team: 2 | Latency: 109ms

L 05/22/2013 - 00:51:54: [smac_eyetest.smx | 0.8.4.1] to۞NZ_ (ID: STEAM_1:0:12659291 | IP: 87.167.4.45) is suspected of cheating with their eye angles. Eye Angles: 347 66 0
    Map: c4m4_milltown_b | Origin: 3977 -1577 232 | Angles: -11 45 0 | Weapon: weapon_pistol | Team: 2 | Latency: 90ms

L 05/23/2013 - 17:43:36: [smac_eyetest.smx | 0.8.4.1] Palazor (ID: STEAM_1:1:6907143 | IP: 109.67.121.16) was banned for cheating with their eye angles. Eye Angles: 361 -144 0
    Map: c1m4_atrium | Origin: -2044 -4634 536 | Angles: 0 225 0 | Weapon: weapon_pistol | Team: 2 | Latency: 142ms

These ones are on the same maps, and very similar origins:

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L 05/13/2013 - 19:40:11: [smac_eyetest.smx | 0.8.4.1] NyomCat - qxcmnf (ID: STEAM_1:1:19038361 | IP: 128.79.56.218) was banned for cheating with their eye angles. Eye Angles: 301 -74 0
    Map: c8m5_rooftop | Origin: 6136 8525 5920 | Angles: 0 -74 0 | Weapon: weapon_pistol | Team: 2 | Latency: 98ms

L 05/21/2013 - 21:10:15: [smac_eyetest.smx | 0.8.4.1] Pg <-|| sTyLe (ID: STEAM_1:1:37986614 | IP: 79.236.59.227) was banned for cheating with their eye angles. Eye Angles: 363 140 0
    Map: c8m5_rooftop | Origin: 6136 8525 5920 | Angles: 0 -74 0 | Weapon: weapon_pistol | Team: 2 | Latency: 94ms

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L 05/15/2013 - 20:34:04: [smac_eyetest.smx | 0.8.4.1] Tycho (ID: STEAM_1:0:19292467 | IP: 217.229.56.106) was banned for cheating with their eye angles. Eye Angles: -136 88 0
    Map: c1m1_hotel | Origin: 584 5548 2895 | Angles: 29 79 0 | Weapon: weapon_pistol | Team: 2 | Latency: 65ms

L 05/22/2013 - 17:07:55: [smac_eyetest.smx | 0.8.4.1] Mumble (ID: STEAM_1:0:4825293 | IP: 84.28.137.80) is suspected of cheating with their eye angles. Eye Angles: 347 -164 0
    Map: c1m1_hotel | Origin: 585 5597 2848 | Angles: 0 165 0 | Weapon: weapon_pistol | Team: 2 | Latency: 85ms

I think this may be related, in some cases, with the campaigns' intro/outro, and also when someone is deathcharged on No Mercy's rooftop, in which the players' camera changes position to show the player falling down.
I remember once getting "eye angles" detected by alt-tabbing in and out of the game. Can't remember the exact circumstances, though, but I think it was during the cinematic intro of c1m1_hotel.

I'm admin on 70 L4D2 servers that are constantly full, and I realized I can't have smac_eyetest_ban 1, because it produces too many false positives.
From now on, I will just check the logs for "old movement" detections, that appear to be valid, and ban the players manually.

In case you guys can't actually fix these false positives, you could maybe consider adding a cvar to only autoban for the "old movement" detections, but not for the other "eye angles" ones.

EDIT:

Here are all the Die Scraper false positives I collected so far:

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L 05/08/2013 - 13:42:56: [smac_eyetest.smx | 0.8.4.1] Rockboo (ID: STEAM_1:0:15016276 | IP: 78.219.50.10) was banned for cheating with their eye angles. Eye Angles: 2 426 0
    Map: l4d2_diescraper2_streets_33 | Origin: 1668 1325 -191 | Angles: 2 409 0 | Weapon: weapon_rifle_m60 | Team: 2 | Latency: 68ms

L 05/09/2013 - 16:33:45: [smac_eyetest.smx | 0.8.4.1] BACKSTEIN (ID: STEAM_1:0:2969172 | IP: 37.24.152.156) was banned for cheating with their eye angles. Eye Angles: 2 420 0
    Map: l4d2_diescraper2_streets_33 | Origin: 1670 1325 -191 | Angles: 2 418 0 | Weapon: weapon_shotgun_spas | Team: 2 | Latency: 57ms

L 05/10/2013 - 14:51:26: [smac_eyetest.smx | 0.8.4.1] chris6496 (ID: STEAM_1:1:54460757 | IP: 91.46.215.69) was banned for cheating with their eye angles. Eye Angles: 6 421 0
    Map: l4d2_diescraper2_streets_33 | Origin: 1666 1326 -191 | Angles: 6 414 0 | Weapon: weapon_melee | Team: 2 | Latency: 94ms

L 05/11/2013 - 21:59:50: [smac_eyetest.smx | 0.8.4.1] Astarothe (ID: STEAM_1:1:28831846 | IP: 2.9.102.52) was banned for cheating with their eye angles. Eye Angles: 9 420 0
    Map: l4d2_diescraper2_streets_33 | Origin: 1670 1325 -191 | Angles: 10 409 0 | Weapon: weapon_melee | Team: 2 | Latency: 112ms

L 05/16/2013 - 20:48:14: [smac_eyetest.smx | 0.8.4.1] Xyanide (ID: STEAM_1:1:10208722 | IP: 62.195.197.108) was banned for cheating with their eye angles. Eye Angles: 4 422 0
    Map: l4d2_diescraper2_streets_33 | Origin: 1668 1325 -191 | Angles: 4 415 0 | Weapon: weapon_sniper_military | Team: 2 | Latency: 68ms

L 05/19/2013 - 21:13:19: [smac_eyetest.smx | 0.8.4.1] okiisan (ID: STEAM_1:1:14910221 | IP: 109.11.254.100) was banned for cheating with their eye angles. Eye Angles: 7 421 0
    Map: l4d2_diescraper2_streets_33 | Origin: 1666 1326 -191 | Angles: 7 407 0 | Weapon: weapon_smg | Team: 2 | Latency: 82ms

L 05/19/2013 - 23:15:31: [smac_eyetest.smx | 0.8.4.1] Felyal (ID: STEAM_1:1:23153409 | IP: 87.209.114.64) was banned for cheating with their eye angles. Eye Angles: 0 420 0
    Map: l4d2_diescraper2_streets_33 | Origin: 1669 1325 -191 | Angles: 0 409 0 | Weapon: weapon_rifle | Team: 2 | Latency: 86ms

L 05/22/2013 - 20:08:20: [smac_eyetest.smx | 0.8.4.1] Captain-Awesome its back. DK (ID: STEAM_1:0:13515950 | IP: 87.59.182.32) was banned for cheating with their eye angles. Eye Angles: 5 434 0
    Map: l4d2_diescraper2_streets_33 | Origin: 1670 1325 -191 | Angles: 3 410 0 | Weapon: weapon_pumpshotgun | Team: 2 | Latency: 135ms

Weksos · 05-28-2013 , 14:35 Re: Eye Test module

Just wondering if this is a legit ban?

L 05/28/2013 - 09:52:03: [smac_eyetest.smx | 0.8.4.0] ï½¢RocketJumpï½£AssasinFreak[NL (ID: STEAM_| IP: ) was banned for tampering with an old movement command (tickcount). CmdNum: 188 | [46361:46351:46384]

And also what is tickcount?