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Old 02-22-2009 , 08:48   The Non Steam Games are:
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Steam Is Illegal if your Selling IT because you are brocking the copyright, is not illegal if you play it, and is illegal if you find a way to play on Steam Servers, because they payed to play and you not, but is not Illegal play a Pirated CS winch have a NON STEAM Master Server, so you can't play on steam servers because is Illegal, You can play on NonSteam server, but you can't sell copies of the game, is Illegal, You Can't Ask for support from a game that you didn't BUY, You can't, you can connect to NonSteam MasterServer Because they aren't from Steam, so they have its own Polity about Servers, and already there are too much masterserver that bring a service to make NonSteam Servers, Such Digital Zone, CSS Setti and others.

And I got 2 CS, I have steam in my House and my dad bought me HL1 and CS, but i have a NonSteam CS In a Pendrive and i take that Pendrive with me, when ill go to play at a cyber , because I can't play with any of my friend if I use my steam cs from my house. And Is Not Illegal if you Make Your OWN Server, and Even more Legal If you Play in LAN Servers, that's my final Word about NonSteam and Steam, and whats the diferent?


Steam:

-You Should Buy a Game to play it.
-You Should Have Installed Steam in the computer where you'll play.
-You Open that game a Single Time.
-You can't Play With your friends if they do not own steam and the game.
-Steam Update all the Games Everytime.
-When you Buy a Game you should Download it first.
-If you Lose you Steam password you lose all your games.

Non Steam

-You can buy any game from any shop (Venezuela) or Download it from any site (Ill No Say Any Site, to prevent a big BAN)
-I don't need to open steam to play, or wait that it update your games.
-You can use that single CD to install the game on all the computer you want, even you can bringht it to your friends, so they will can play with you.
-When you buy game, you go to your House/Cyber and install it.
-If you lose your password (from what?) or you disk gets formated you only need to search the CD Again and Install the Game.

For Me Non Steam is Better (In the case of CS, but in other games such Left 4 Dead, Steam Rules!!, Why? Because to have too much servers NonSteam it toke to CS like 5 Years)

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Old 02-22-2009 , 13:15   Re: How are non-steam servers illegal?
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None of your justifications are valid. It doesn't matter if you sell it or not: modifying game binaries without Valve authorization makes it illegal. In some countries, not all of them, you can make game backups for personal use, but that does not give you the right to alter the game in any way.

IT IS illegal to play using modified binaries
IT IS illegal to host servers using modified binaries

And about your arguments:
Steam:
1-) So the developers should just spend millions and give you the game for free? Can't argue with that
2-) This has downs and ups. Installing a 20mb software should not be a problem these days, but who knows. But don't forget that with 20mbs you get: automatic game updates, unlimited game reinstalls, games available anywhere you want, friends and community network, etc, etc, etc.
3-) This is not a Steam restriction 99% of the games will not allow you to open them twice.
4-) Back to 1...
5-) Should that count as a disadvantage? Getting fixes and new features sounds just awful.
6-) I think nobody introduced you to the 'recover my password' button. Or to Valve's support, that reinstates your games if you prove ownership.

No-Steam:
1-) Any game or even CD store sells games these days, and where there are games to sell, you can be sure there will be Valve games. And Steam bandwidth is at least a dozen times higher than all the sites that distribute no-steam games combined.
2-) Really? You can't wait 2 minutes to get game fixes? You must be really impatient
3-) You can re-download and reinstall Steam games whenever you want. You can make game backups and carry them with you if you wish.
4-) You can log into your steam acc in a cybercafe if you really want. If you mean you can install as much copies as you wish, then back to the same point: why should the devs give you multiple copies of the games for free? Just because you asked nicely?
5-) You don't even need to find the CD with Steam if you don't want to. You can just redownload it. Or just copy over the GCFs. And again I ask: never heard of the password recovery button?


And sorry to inform you, but I live in Brazil, where no-steam is much more common than Steam'ed CS, and there are still hundreds of servers where I can play. That was the REASON I bought the game: no-steam servers are full of cheaters, that cannot be banned, full of ignorant 10-year old kids that just learned how to download files through the internet, and lame admins that just found out what HLDS stands for.
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Old 02-22-2009 , 15:59   Re: How are non-steam servers illegal?
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That was the REASON I bought the game: no-steam servers are full of cheaters, that cannot be banned, full of ignorant 10-year old kids that just learned how to download files through the internet, and lame admins that just found out what HLDS stands for.
100% with you in that
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Old 02-22-2009 , 16:27   Re: How are non-steam servers illegal?
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None of your justifications are valid. It doesn't matter if you sell it or not: modifying game binaries without Valve authorization makes it ILlegal. In some countries, not all of them, you can make game backups for personal use, but that does not give you the right to alter the game in any way.
i think yu ment lol
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Old 02-22-2009 , 16:38   Re: How are non-steam servers illegal?
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i think yu ment lol
corrected, thanks
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Old 02-25-2009 , 14:08   Re: How are non-steam servers illegal?
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No-Steam:
1-) Any game or even CD store sells games these days, and where there are games to sell, you can be sure there will be Valve games. And Steam bandwidth is at least a dozen times higher than all the sites that distribute no-steam games combined.


Filo: Those shops are called "Buhoneros" and a week ago I seen Left 4 Dead, Team Forrest 2 and Portal in a Single DVD Non Steam in one of these shops (20Bs.F (40-50$)) each DVD Here.


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2-) Really? You can't wait 2 minutes to get game fixes? You must be really impatient


Filo:
Yup Exatly xD

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3-) You can re-download and reinstall Steam games whenever you want. You can make game backups and carry them with you if you wish.
Filo: But i think that non steam games are faster at this, because (as example) Left 4 Dead is like 2-3 GB, and with a 1mb-2mb Bandswitch it will take like a day to download it again if you lose the game, but if you have it in a Nonsteam DVD you only must find that DVD and install it.

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4-) You can log into your steam acc in a cybercafe if you really want. If you mean you can install as much copies as you wish, then back to the same point: why should the devs give you multiple copies of the games for free? Just because you asked nicely?
Filo: Cybercafe+Steam= 50% possibility to get hacked (Here i dont know if there too) and the other problem is that you pay in a cybercafe to play (as example) Counter Strike or Half Life but if you do not own a steam with that game, you can't play

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5-) You don't even need to find the CD with Steam if you don't want to. You can just redownload it. Or just copy over the GCFs. And again I ask: never heard of the password recovery button?
*Answer N°3 *

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And sorry to inform you, but I live in Brazil, where no-steam is much more common than Steam'ed CS, and there are still hundreds of servers where I can play. That was the REASON I bought the game: no-steam servers are full of cheaters, that cannot be banned, full of ignorant 10-year old kids that just learned how to download files through the internet, and lame admins that just found out what HLDS stands for.
Filo: thats true the cheatears are a big problem in non steam, but never eared a single 10 years old kid in my life (He raped my ears like hell >_<)


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And About other thing, I know that ZBots aren't support here because are a hacked version of CZ without permisson of Valve, but damn they're better than the Podbots (Why Steam do not made legal bots like Zbots?) a example is, (for the one whi played ZP with PB) The PodBots Zombie PodBots keep attacking the Zombie PB that were CTs Before gets Infected, that don't happen with the Condition Zero Bots, thats why I prefer The Condition Zero Bots instand the PodBots. Damn Valve Make Legal and Intelligent Bots
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Old 02-25-2009 , 14:22   Re: How are non-steam servers illegal?
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Apparently you've never used Steam at all. You can backup the whole game into an installer, and EXE file that you can burn into a CD, upload to a pen-drive, or whatever.

And sorry, but you can't call these 'shops'. There are similar street vendors here in Brazil, and everybody knows they only sell pirated stuff, you can't use them as reference. (and L4D is 5GB, no way you can fit any more games in a DVD with it, unless you stripp some content).

And why the hell would Valve release the CZ bots? The whole point of CZ is the single player campaign. Why would anyone buy CZ if you can have the bots on normal CS?
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Old 02-25-2009 , 22:00   Re: How are non-steam servers illegal?
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Apparently you've never used Steam at all. You can backup the whole game into an installer, and EXE file that you can burn into a CD, upload to a pen-drive, or whatever.

And sorry, but you can't call these 'shops'. There are similar street vendors here in Brazil, and everybody knows they only sell pirated stuff, you can't use them as reference. (and L4D is 5GB, no way you can fit any more games in a DVD with it, unless you stripp some content).

And why the hell would Valve release the CZ bots? The whole point of CZ is the single player campaign. Why would anyone buy CZ if you can have the bots on normal CS?
because cs 1.6 and cz come togheter?
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