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Old 09-25-2006 , 15:37   Re: Computer problems
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stop weasting money on old computers. Buy a new very expensive one that you will not need to upgrade for about 4-5 years
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Old 09-25-2006 , 15:45   Re: Computer problems
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Well that solves that problem.
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Old 09-26-2006 , 22:55   Re: Computer problems
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Cost efficient : get another second hand motherboard for your Pentium 4 (which is the best out of your three options) with AGP support and get a second hand ATi 9800 Pro or XT. Won't cost you more than $ 80 if you search thoroughly. Don't expect the game to run fluently at the highest settings though.

In all other cases you would have to upgrade both your CPU and VGA, doing not so will make either your old VGA or old CPU the bottleneck.
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stop weasting money on old computers. Buy a new very expensive one that you will not need to upgrade for about 4-5 years
You are an idiot.
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Old 09-26-2006 , 23:36   Re: Computer problems
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Cost efficient : get another second hand motherboard for your Pentium 4 (which is the best out of your three options) with AGP support and get a second hand ATi 9800 Pro or XT. Won't cost you more than $ 80 if you search thoroughly. Don't expect the game to run fluently at the highest settings though.

In all other cases you would have to upgrade both your CPU and VGA, doing not so will make either your old VGA or old CPU the bottleneck.

You are an idiot.
I am actually PARTIALLY doing what you said - I am getting a new CPU for free (Pentium 4 3.2 Ghz) which will bottleneck, but so does EVERY intel because intel sucks. And, I have a Nvidia PCI FX 5500 256 MB on order.

Total cost: $54

Right now, my specs will be:

Pentium 4 3.2 Ghz
768 MB 266 Mhz Ram
Nvidia geforce FX 5500 PCI 256 MB

Personally, I think this was my best choice. My CPU bottlenecks as it is, but hey, hopefully a NEW 3.2 Ghz pentium 4 will help. Mine is really old (4 years) whereas the 3.2 Ghz is maybe 1-2 years old... If I need too, I might get 2 512 MB 400 Mhz ram.

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Old 09-27-2006 , 09:29   Re: Computer problems
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The FX 5500 will disappoint you for sure...
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but so does EVERY intel because intel sucks.
Are you sure you know what you are talking about ?
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Old 09-27-2006 , 17:37   Re: Computer problems
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The FX 5500 will disappoint you for sure...

Are you sure you know what you are talking about ?
Yes, I am more than certain I know what I am talking about. Intel has a thing we like to call a BOTTLENECK.

It's like 1000's of instructions attempting to go through the bus in order to communicate with the ram - problem is, motherboards set for intel chips have a bus speed the FRACTION of the processor. An intel chip may operate at 3.2 Ghz (3200 Mhz) however, since the bus speed is much slower than the chip, the data is actually sent at the speed of the bus (usually max 1.0 Ghz). The mechanics of a computer work as slow as the slowest component. I'd prefer not to argue this subject as it takes very minute research.

I live in the heart of technology - silicon valley where Intel and AMD are based. Fortunately, since AMD continues to release better products, it makes Intel work alot harder for the consumers business. Recently, Intel engineered a "laser-bus system" which operates like fiber optics except instead of transferring network data, it will transfer system instructions. See http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060918-7773.html for more information.

Yes, knekter, I do know what I am doing. I understand how cheap building a new computer would have been, however, I did not finance this video card myself, it was purchased FOR me. Eventually, I will build my own computer and ensure that it is more efficient than the OEM computers made now.

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Old 09-28-2006 , 02:02   Re: Computer problems
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stop weasting money on old computers. Buy a new very expensive one that you will not need to upgrade for about 4-5 years
I agree. I can't believe you were called an idiot for this. I have a computer in my basement that is now 8 years old. Its a P2 450 mhz, has 512 SD ram, a 16 MB Video Card, and even ISA slots. This computer has an AGP slot. Does it really make sense for a computer bought 4 years later to not have an AGP slot? I remember when I was doing co-op at my high school in grade 12, the computers (in a school...) had AGP slots.

As well, and correct me if I'm wrong, but does the bus connect the cards and, well, other stuff connected to the motherboard to the RAM and CPU? If anything I'd think the cache would be the place for a bottleneck (notice the cache sizes have been increasing?)
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Old 09-28-2006 , 18:05   Re: Computer problems
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I agree. I can't believe you were called an idiot for this. I have a computer in my basement that is now 8 years old. Its a P2 450 mhz, has 512 SD ram, a 16 MB Video Card, and even ISA slots. This computer has an AGP slot. Does it really make sense for a computer bought 4 years later to not have an AGP slot? I remember when I was doing co-op at my high school in grade 12, the computers (in a school...) had AGP slots.

As well, and correct me if I'm wrong, but does the bus connect the cards and, well, other stuff connected to the motherboard to the RAM and CPU? If anything I'd think the cache would be the place for a bottleneck (notice the cache sizes have been increasing?)
You are not exactly correct. Neither is Janet Jackson over there.

@JJkiller: Cache size is increasing because cache "pre-loads" (or caches) actions in the processor. For example, when you open a program, it loads certain actions and their responses in the cache. The bus is the bottleneck - in INTEL, it operates at 1/3 the processor speed.

@Janet JacksonThere are MANY bottlenecks in a computer. The user is a huge slowdown to the computer - the computer must idle/wait for the users response to certain things - can lead to a bottleneck of events. The printer, hard drive, cd drive, floppy drive, even usb devices are bottlenecked. I will continue to criticize Intel because unlike AMD, they have refuted fixing their bottleneck, they insist on leaving it as is and instead increasing processor speed. Many stupid people (like myself currently due to lack of finance) insist that updating the processor and ram will speed everything up - WRONG. The bus speeds need to be updated. Dual-core is 'new' and 'good', however, Intel STILL has the bottleneck - so what, you have "2 virtual CPU's" - you STILL have 1 bus transporting the data to the RAM to be processed. Granted, it does speed up the computer greatly, but nowhere near as great as a faster bus would. Hardware specifically can get very fuzzy and extremely complicated - I essentially go off on tangents because my mind thinks much quicker than I can type. That there is a bottleneck, too much info from my brain trying to get to my fingers. My fingers are the reason for the bottleneck - my nervous transports data faster than a computer can process data. Anyways, I might just deal with 768 MB ram and a P4 2.2 Ghz processor with an Nvidia GeForce 5500 256 MB.

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