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ThantiK
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Old 07-17-2004 , 00:59   Sprite that displays through wall?...or something similar?
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I remember on the old AMX, there was a plugin made that I guess ended up almost acting as a wall hack, I think it was when you attached player sprites to the players...

Does anyone remember this thread and/or how to do it?...I'm making a spectator plugin that allows admins to see with ESP while in spectator mode to help catch wallhackers.
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Old 07-17-2004 , 18:11  
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How exactly does giveing an admin the ability to wallhack, prevent wallhacking?

I don't think too many people like hackers around here, and I am not too sure anyone is going to help you make a wallhack for AMXx.
There is most likely a reason the wallhack plugin for amx disappeared

I not only have the plugin, but I could port it for you, but I am not going near "handing out wallhacks to kids" with a 50 foot pole
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Old 07-17-2004 , 18:46  
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Giving wallhack to admins helps keep wall hackers out because its easier to see who actually is using a hack.

Also, the point of it would be to only give it to admins in SPECTATOR MODE....I dont see how a spectating admin can hurt anything!

Why all the contraversy...? If admin is in spectator mode, its not like hes gonna shoot you!...he's dead, has no gun, etc!

This idea is much better than giving admins the ability to godmode, noclip, etc.

Its so I can make it so only a spectating admin an see it, so they can see...hmm, thats funny, he just looked RIGHT AT that guy through the wall! Then ban his happy cheating ass. I can also record a demo while I'm doing this to show definate proof to players after I ban them, and perhaps put them on the "wall of shame" on my website. ;)
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Old 07-17-2004 , 20:01  
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Although I can see that you think you have a point, I will have to disagree.

Wallhacking yourself, does not help detect walhackers in any major way and useing that method is questionable at best.

I understand you THINK that only spectating admins will ever use this plugin, but that is NOT the case.
Removeing the spectator mode restriction would be simple at worst as would admin restrictions.
Hackers have a specifically easy time gaining admin access to your server but normal players are not unable either.

Finally, releaseing a plugin like this to the public is moronic.
99% of the people who download your plugin will be doing so in order to abuse the wall hack ability.... and they will not be the only ones by far to abuse it.

If you REALLY find it necessary to create this plugin for your own use, I personally (though I dont expect my requests to go to far) would request that you do so on a private basis, not mention or discuss such matters on a public forum, and MOST IMPORTANTLY do NOT release to the public.

Those are my opinions and although you may not agree those basically are the findings of the last wall hack plugin for AMX and the reason you dont see it around anymore publicly available.


Useing these methods as an anti-cheat would be less effective than VAC at best, while at the same time inviteing anyone with common knowledge of CS and AMX to use hacks without being noticed.
(in other words you are handing a mugger a loaded hand gun in an alleyway )
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Old 07-17-2004 , 20:51  
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I know, I've been talking to bailopan about doing this and perhaps releasing it in protected form. (no SMA download, but amx only download)

If you wouldn't mind, I would like to see the old amx code as I'm working pretty blindly right now. and I swear not to release the code...if so, bailopan, or anyone else will have reason to ban me perminently on the spot...I'm an AMXX Tester...so I dont want that.
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Old 07-17-2004 , 21:22  
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pm me the code, rofl

edit: ^ just incase someone thinks i'm serious, i have apposed this plugin being released in the community, but .amx only is a good idea
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Old 07-17-2004 , 23:05  
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I will NOT support releaseing this in ANY form.

Hacks are hacks are hacks are hacks. There are no ifs or buts or kindas.

I am telling you, simply because I have no right to force you, not to release any AMX plugin that effectively simulates or recreates any hack.

You will pay for it yourself. One day you will walk into a server and get wall-hack-pwned by some freckle-faced 13 year old who just setup a server and feels the need to pwn despite his aparent lack of skills.
And when you realise that he was useing amx_wallhack by Thantik, you will kick yourself a thousand times as you finally realize what I am talking about (and cant find a server without a wallhack abuser for half an hour)

Or, if you ever catch a wall hacker by wall hacking yourself (instead of just abuseing wall hack, which chances are already low) you will probably come to realize he isnt useing a hack, but has gained admin access and is useing the plugin that you wrote and you installed on your computer, basically for him

If you have the skill, or the connections or what have you to go make your wallhack then go do it, but don't talk about it on a public forum or release it in anyway to the public.

I am not saying you should never make this plugin because I said so.
I am saying this plugin should never reach the light of day, even in discussion, for the sake of anyone who enjoys playing the game.
PRIVATE, i.e. private message, messenger service, e-mail... use another communication tool to get the right people together and "privately" make your plugin, for "private" (not public) use.

...but please do not go makeing amx_hacks and releaseing them on the forums to the public.

Another large peice of discussion when this plugin was originally written was the effect it would have on the AMX community, which is why I am very suprised to not see the developement team and anyone else linked to AMXx stepping in and putting an end to this.

Can you imagine what would happen when you release amx_wallhack and it becomes a popular plugin (especially by abusers) and then maybe other amx_hacks get made.... but either way even yours alone, what happens when Valve decides that AMXx is no better than a hack and that it provides more cheaters than any good it does and then decide to blacklist it with VAC as a hack?

Then you can no longer use AMXx as a metamod plugin while playing online.

Just a discussion, but that would be a pretty crappy way to see something as decent as AMX with such a large community disolve because of hacking.
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Old 07-17-2004 , 23:14  
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dear god ppl lighten up already sheesh... I understand the opposition to this kinda thing and in other thread my posts attest to that but seriously its game ppl calm down. if the guy wants to learn how to do something let him.. god damn....
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Old 07-17-2004 , 23:17  
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Fine but I am stateing my peice anyways. If you actually read it, it is more than a valid opinion and should really be listened to if you have any sense.

I do not protest him makeing the plugin nor do I protest learning how to script, I protest the public manor in which he is blatantly attempting to hack and publicly release a hack. 'Nuff said.
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Old 07-17-2004 , 23:19  
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as I said, my replies in the other thread are there for public viewing, I dont like this plugin but to bash him everywhere makes no sense you said your piece now let it go already.
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