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doonne 03-02-2008 14:26

Ping trouble
 
Yo!
My dedicated server works just fine when its 2-3 maybe up to 6 players.
But when it gets more the ping rises up to 400-600 :S
Im having maximum 10 players
Im using blockmaker and hidenseek mod.
Does anyone know how to fix this?
Please!!

My internet connection is 100/20 Mbit.

YamiKaitou 03-02-2008 14:27

Re: Ping trouble
 
What is your ISP upload speed?

doonne 03-02-2008 14:55

Re: Ping trouble
 
Its 20Mbit

YamiKaitou 03-02-2008 14:59

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I find that a bit hard to believe. Are you hosting the server at home? Can the computer handle that many people?

TheNewt 03-02-2008 15:06

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doonne is it 20 Mbit or 20Kbit.

doonne 03-02-2008 15:40

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absolutely sure that its 20 Mbit and NOT kbit
I've just played with my brother (same network) and the ping was too high.
It not like a normal "ping-lagg". I think its from the game, not internet connection.
Ive recently installed hideNseek blockmaker mod.

Im running it from my home computer
I dont know if thats the reason, but:

Intel P4 3,06Ghz
1,5GB RAM
256MB GeForce

So, any ideas?

YamiKaitou 03-02-2008 15:41

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What country are you in? You issue is most likely network releated as I find it hard to believe that a home network is getting OUTBOUND upload of 20Mbps. If you are sure it is 20Mbps, you will need to prove it otherwise I will continue saying it is a network issue

P4rD0nM3 03-02-2008 15:49

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Let's see some Speed Test screenies!

Lee 03-02-2008 15:51

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Affordable symmetrical 20 Mbit connections are available for residential customers even in America. This is 2008.

KiimpaN 03-02-2008 16:02

Re: Ping trouble
 
The problem is the blockmaker mod. I've used blockmaker before. With 16 slots, it used 100% CPU at a 2GB Ram, AMD 4400+ :/

P4rD0nM3 03-02-2008 16:50

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100Mbit Down / 20Mbit Up? Assuming he is residing in the United States...I find it extremely hard to believe, and yes it is 2008! Maybe if he is residing in the EU or Asia...

He also said he's using that connection on a home computer. Kudos if you have that kind of connection at your house.

[img]http://img261.**************/img261/7341/speedtestfd5.png[/img]

If your speed test is like that, it is your hardware! What kind of NIC are you using?

kp_uparrow 03-02-2008 17:00

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20megabit costs like 200 at least

YamiKaitou 03-02-2008 17:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee (Post 592208)
Affordable symmetrical 20 Mbit connections are available for residential customers even in America. This is 2008.

It is not just the 20Mbps up, it is the 100 down and 20 up that seems odd

kp_uparrow 03-02-2008 17:30

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i think its kbit

Lee 03-02-2008 20:28

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Maybe you guys missed my link. kp_uparrow definitely did. 100 Mbps downstream is common in parts of Europe and Asia. Relatively unusual yes, odd, no.

You're all making such a big deal out of a total non-issue. If the guy is lying, the only person he would be harming is himself (i.e. jeopardising useful support). Think about it.

TheNewt 03-02-2008 20:50

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Lol, I didn't doubt it is possible to get those speeds.

Heres the thing though, is that when you buy those packages, they do NOT ever garuntee those speeds. It is always described as "Up to 20mb" not "You receive 20mb". Things can slow down the speed involuntarily, so what the thread starter needs to do is to go to a speed test during the time of day he notices the ping problem and then screen shot it for us.

Another thing that can cause ping is his internal network unless he is directly connected to the modem, but then he must be playing the game and hosting the server on the same machine, which would cause ping issues as well.

P4rD0nM3 03-02-2008 21:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee (Post 592208)
Affordable symmetrical 20 Mbit connections are available for residential customers even in America. This is 2008.

Well Lee, since you said 'This is 2008.', it somehow made me think that you're telling me that I'm dumb for not knowing that such home connections exist. I do know that they exist, just not in the USA (Not yet).

Lee 03-02-2008 21:39

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@TheNewt
So you're saying that high speed residential connections are like any other residential connection then? Even 256 Kbps ADSL will have a contention ratio of 1:25-1:50 and are advertised in the same way. We'll ignore the fact that what you originally said doesn't remotely fit your explanation.

There's a reason 1.5 Mbps (A|S)DSL connections are cheaper than T1 and that's because the cost is split between all the subscribers in your neighbourhood.

The reason that I'm telling you this (you may already know) is because this user was singled out because of his connection speed when the issues you cite are common to all residential connections.

@P4rD0nM3
I have not been considering his downstream speed (since it is not the issue of contention) when making my posts. Not being in touch with current technology in no way makes you "dumb".

My original point was that contesting his connection speed is completely off-topic. Debating it further is even worse.

TheNewt 03-03-2008 01:02

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I repeat
Quote:

Another thing that can cause ping is his internal network unless he is directly connected to the modem, but then he must be playing the game and hosting the server on the same machine, which would cause ping issues as well.

doonne 03-03-2008 02:15

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1 Attachment(s)
Ok, so here's my Upload speed test screenshot taken 3/3-08
It's in swedish and uppströms means upload.

P4rD0nM3 03-03-2008 04:26

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@Lee, I don't think contesting his upload speed is going off-topic since most users that makes these kinds of posts/claims here in AMXx don't even know the difference between downstream and upstream. That's why at least provide a solid proof that your bandwidth is not the one causing problems. That way, it can be set aside and other questions can be asked.

@doone, are you playing on the same machine? HNS + BLOCKMAKER uses a lot of resources too IIRC.

doonne 03-03-2008 05:48

Re: Ping trouble
 
I have downloaded blockmaker_v3.60 [BM] And Ultra Hide-N-Seek! from this site.
I have also recently discovered that the lag (high ping) also comes up when I walk on some blocks.

I think I'll make an exception and copy my last post from blockmaker_v3.60 [BM] thread since this isn't the right place for it, but here is what I wrote:

as soon as someone steps on for example camouflage, invicible or stealth blocks the game starting to go very slow.
How come? solutions?

SCHWEDEN 03-03-2008 09:39

Re: Ping trouble
 
Yes I think its the cpu failing too, sounds exactly like a problem i had. Either dont use the plugin or buy a dual/quad core

TheNewt 03-03-2008 13:21

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doonne answer these questions:

What kind of internal network do you have set up?
Do you have a router?
Do you have multiple machines on your network?
Is your server directly connected to the modem, or is there a router in between?
Do you have a firewall?
Are you playing on the same machine that the server is hosted on?


Please answer as accurately as you are capable of.

Styles 03-03-2008 14:02

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Thats amazing...I really wish I had a 20mb connection.. I'm sitting here with 3MB ... this guys got 20mb.. I hate the us.

doonne 03-03-2008 15:06

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I have 3 computers and yes I have a router.
I have portforwarded the Counter Strike ports.
No, I dont have a firewall.
Playing from the same machine as the server is hosted on, yes.

YamiKaitou 03-03-2008 15:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by doonne (Post 592625)
Playing from the same machine as the server is hosted on, yes.

That is probably your problem. Accourding to others, BCM and HnS require a lot of Proc power. So, running the server AND playing on the same comp is normally not a good idea. And adding plugins that need a lot of proc, that is even worse. I would recommend putting the server on a dedicated box just to it or think about purchasing a server to rent

TheNewt 03-03-2008 15:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by doonne (Post 592625)
Playing from the same machine as the server is hosted on, yes.

That is your problem right there. You can't do that since it will waste the computer's resources, both CPU and the network will slow down.

kp_uparrow 03-03-2008 18:23

Re: Ping trouble
 
just dont play the same machine as the server, or set hlds priority to high

@lee, its 20/20, not 100/20, and i bet its shared, like all dedicated server hosting, and it should cost $200 minimum, the $64 one is probably 5/2

@doonne, why not show us a real bandwidth test @dslreports.com or something, ur graph just shows a constant 18.7, min 18.7, max 18.7, what are the chances?

Lee 03-03-2008 20:24

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I'm well aware of what I linked to kp_uparrow. You said "20megabit costs like 200 at least" when the simple fact is no, it doesn't. Stop refusing to accept reality. All residential connections are shared as I've already said. I'm not sure what you meant by "its shared, like all dedicated server hosting" because that's not true either if you rent a leased line.

The chances of min and max being the same are 1 (certain) if he only took one test (as the graph clearly shows, with one point plotted). The piece of software he's using conducts a speed test and averages the throughput during the test (like all speed tests) and then uses that value to draw the graph.

At this point I'm dumbfounded. A speed test was requested (which was in my opinion wrong to begin with, since he confirmed he was not confusing units of data) and when presented with one, you don't believe the results of that either. Unbelievable.

I feel like I'm the troublemaker, when all I'm trying to do is defend common sense.


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