Tower Defense
http://en.t45ol.com/play/2541/tower-defence.html
^- addicting game Statistics for towers: Code:
Fire Code:
Nature Code:
Water Until the last two upgrades, fire is the most economical, but quickly becomes costly and uneconomical in the end game. Overall, water is the most powerful, due to its extended range, which overcomes natures better damage. Nature costs more, overall, than water, and its power doesn't beat waters range. Since it takes $23,000 to buy the most powerful flower, the most economical choice is water. |
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Great game.
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i got level 59 thats bad eh LOL
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Got me addicted :wink:.
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Buahhaha.
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It's handy to have that little guide you typed out.
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It's nothing like playing it on Starcraft.
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A fully upgraded nature tower costs $985 less than a fully upgraded water tower. Oh, I see you were going by averages. Those are bad to go by for this; who uses low ranks? |
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wow i keep getting level 59 -.- 4 times in a row lol
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Simple... addicting... good game. Last was 67.
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My best was 72. sawce, why must you link to such addicting games in IRC.
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72 dam nice work. I cant get passed 59 :P
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Level 68.
I used to play these TD's on Warcraft 3: FT. |
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63, 1st try
69 |
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61, after I figured out how to play it right ^^.
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70 :D
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71's my highest so far :(
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http://xs110.xs.to/xs110/06513/greens.jpg.xs.jpg
Best that Ive screenshotted, I think I got an 83 the day before Few things: Maxed out greens placed properly are by far the best bang for your buck Placing a tower at the END of a row has a very good effect Red sucks Blue sucks Greens in the middle are very good because you can hit about 90% of the map but still get cheaper, more powerful damage than blue Also, "flowers" cost 2k to place, but the display is bugged so it requires you to have 3k money. (Youll have 1k left over when youre done placing it). They suck until tier 3 which seems impossible to get to. |
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I knew the green pickle things would come through!
edit wow your plan sucks |
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http://xs510.xs.to/xs510/06514/stupoktower.PNG.xs.jpg
The plan doesn't suck, that's my highest score so far. Putting towers on the ends really does have an odd effect. I don't know what else to do to get the edge. The flower is probably worthless. The clouds are completely worthless. |
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The only thing that sucks about going all green is its kind of hard to start with only a green and keep it in a spot that will be useful later on. I start here: http://xs110.xs.to/xs110/06514/greenstart.jpg.xs.jpg It works well later on, the only thing about starting there is you have to upgrade really fast (as in, right when the kill to earn the money is made) or some can slip through. |
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started with red circle. got 1 upgrade, then built the 1 all the way at the top. then worked both of the upgrades to the top, then started to build elsewhere. the blue are where i double builded (apparently you can do that) and the green is where one of mine disappeard :-/ (a seed was on the map instead) |
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Id avoid the green circle and one all the way to the right, and i dont try double stacking because of the vanish issue (even when you dont double stack, if its close it can sometimes vanish... it happened to me on wave 75 before)
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sawce you should teach Tower Defense 101 at a university
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The red circle in Emp's snapshot is the best starting point if you're going with green. You can last with a single tower all the way to max upgrade without losing any civ's if you put it there.
New High Score: http://xs110.xs.to/xs110/06514/stupoktower2.PNG.xs.jpg With flowers, I only got to 75, but they weren't positioned quite right. Awful expensive upgrades, but they are cheaper than a fully upgraded nature tower. |
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I went a different way and got me to level 70.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...Adam/score.jpg Meh highest i ever got.:) |
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My highest was 85 or so.
The level one flower actually has more damage/range ratio per dollar than the green at max, but placement is difficult. In order to get a third tier flower, one has to use as little as one unit for as long as possible (I can go up to level 50), and then place a flower, and hope to god you can get it before being overrun. |
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In the interest of fairness, let me explain what these stats mean before hand.
Success in Tower Defense is limited to a certain upper bound (which I have not quite established), because two competing factors inevitably intersect: Enemy health: Exponential (1.25^n) Allied Money: Linear (60 + (x * n) ) Exponential growth inevitably overwhelms linear growth, so unless I am wrong about money growing linearly (it could grow based on the amount of damage dealt to the enemies, which is also exponential). However, signs and observations dictate that, at some point, money begins to run out and things get increasingly harder to build. This shows there is some upper limit. Now, this means that to maximize how far we can go in Tower Defense, we have to maximize how much damage we do per dollar, as we start to quickly run out of dollars in later levels, and in earlier levels we don't get much to begin with anyway! However, if we gauge purely by how much damage we do per dollar, we ignore the range factor, and get false readings. For the purposes of the statistics, I have assumed that range is a linear scale, which observation confirms. To elaborate, range is a multiplier that arises through this: (range / 100). Of course, merely calculating the damage|range per dollar is not sufficient to explain HOW to maximize Tower Defense returns, but it does show what the resulting placements should look like. On to the stats! Code:
Lightning Damage Range $ Lvl $ Dmg per $ BVRCode:
Fire Dmg Range $ Lvl $ Dmg/$ BVRCode:
Water Dmg Range $ Lvl $ Dmg/$ BVRCode:
Nature Dmg Range $ Lvl $ Dmg/$ BVRCode:
Flower Dmg Range $ Lvl $ Dmg/$ BVRAs you can see, excluding third tier flower, the highest damage per dollar is the first tier flower. Factoring in range, the nature max outruns it by a healthy margin however. Third tier flower rapes all other values; this is the thing to aim for in the end game. Conclusions: Lightning outbeats all others for a significant number of levels, 3 across the board. It can be used as a quick stopgap measure, but fire outruns it as a stop gap measure, for a pretty small price increase. Fire is the best deal in the middle game. It has a very low cost, under 1000, for a rather high BVR of around 5, and can be built quickly. However, its end game is the lowest of the three mains, and thus shouldn't be used except as a stop gap measure. Notes: Use as stop gap in endgame Water is the lowest dmg/$ of all in the max level, however with range factored in, is beat only by the green max. However, the additional range MAY be a factor, in placement. Notes: Placement can render a higher amount of damage in endgame. Nature has the highest BVR, which factors in range, and thus in the end game is the most economical. However, its dmg/$ is low UNTIL the end game; its second to last level is comparable to fires second to last level, despite such a higher cost. Nature is the way to go for the end game, but not for stop gap measures. Notes: Best value, without factoring in placement. Try to put at end of hallway. Flower has the highest in the end game (which is almost unobtainable), and is the only one to go DOWN when leveling up. The first tier is comparable to the max of nature, though at a reduced cost (which doesn't really matter, as it is insignificant). Unfortunately, the range means it sucks in the end game. Notes: Get the third tier flower. WINRAR. Next up: Placement notes. |
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New: Algorithm for coming up with health and income.
_root.health = _root.health * 1.1 + _root.wave * 8.6; _root.income = _root.income * 0.02 + _root.wave * 1.1; Ok, so I was slightly wrong. Health grows exponentially, but income grows logarithmically. Why? n^8.6 + 25^1.1n = health n^1.1 + 60^0.01n = income That kind of exponential can be written as a logarithm, but I won't go into it. The point is, income quickly becomes bounded, while health is unbounded. Thanks to KoST for this info. More to come. |
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just to add on to twilight suzuka's informative and researched post, DON'T DO THIS EITHER
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partially decompiled swf:
http://ampaste.net/5390 Has following useful functions: Price calculations Health calculations Placement functions Income calculations Anyone who can provide a more detailed decompile, please post it! Also, SeanD, I can get farther than that on mostly lightnings! |
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http://webuser.hs-furtwangen.de/%7Ek...erclocking.gif
tower-defence.swf - decompiled (.as) |
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I just loaded it into Macromedia Flash 8 and it works. I compiled it and it works.. Time to make the flower cost $1
I have no clue how this flash works, and how this guy coded stuff so it'll take me awhile to learn it. |
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I got to 72 ^.^
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I got 85..
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I love the detailed analysis, good job Twilight Suzuka :up:. It actually was quite helpful to be able to see the BVR.
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Yeah, I just wish BVR stood for something.
Battle variance radius? |
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This is with cheating after editing the decompiled version of the game.
http://www.soccer-jam.com/flowerpower.jpg |
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Could you give me that version?
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