Anticheats...

[Bill]

Which anti-cheat do you prefer? I went for VAC.

Post ya reasons and why, i chose VAC beacuse I feel cd does not make much of a difference, and the steam updates do not help when every server admin needs to update there CD.

[BAILOPAN]

I would not use anything by UnitedAdmins.
C-D and HLGuard do not have access to the things VALVe has access to so I would trust VALVe with VAC more than I would trust something hacked. Trying to make a client-side anti-cheat is incredibly futile (that puts out CD) and making a server-side one (HLGuard) is about a thousand times less effective. The VAC security module is loaded and protected in memory and is therefore much more secure.

Developing cheats these days is about finding new ways around VAC, not CD or HLGuard, and VAC improves with each security module update. It's constantly just a race between cheat developers finding out what VAC looks for and working around it, and with VAC's global banning, it clearly has the upper-hand.

[DopeFish]

the last VAC update was on the 24.Jan.04 the update before that was on Nov.16.03

It's not really trying to "find ways to get around VAC" it's more upgrading cheats with new functions and every few months or so when VAC is updated upgrading the hook method". Cheat developers also don't really have to worry about getting a permban from VAC while testing their mods since they found out a way to extract the cheat detection routins from VAC and can test them offline.

Both VAC and CD work the same way, client and serverside modules to detect and kill cheats. The diference is that VAC is integrated in the hl software and CD is a third party product that integrates itself into the hl software.

[ibm86]

I'm trusting C-D more than VAC just because I've tested VAC and C-D with some cheats... C-D was the only one who blocked those cheats. Further more a nice combination is C-D + HLGuard... some admins have succes with that and block many cheats... but not all :cry:
PS: at least C-D gets updated often.

[DopeFish]

1 day after a VAC update I fired up google and went to the next best cheat site I could find (took about 5 min.) I tried out 9 cheats, 8 still worked with valve. One didn't work, but VAC didn't detect it either (probably just simply broken). None of them worked with CD. I was so frustrated that a 1 day old VAC update was so useless that I turned CD off and VAC on to make a little video for the players on my server so they knew what to look out for on servers running VAC (german):
http://dopefish.de/files/vsm_sucks.wmv

At least valve fixed the bug that you could generate an infinite number of steam accoutns with one CD key (if you can call this fixed: "it dosen't work for everyone anymore, but some people can still do it for obscure reasons").

[MagicShot]

This Is a Very Interesting and highly Debatable Subject. First off I chose VAC.. Due to there overall reliablity on detection. but I have see so many hack avoid them for so long. I think there was an updat in Jan. where the hack I was seeing people use were finally caught by VAC! HLguard Couldnt detect there AIMbot nor could CD it was really funny. It was designed to outsmart Hl-Guard and CD, and supposidy VAC, but VAC catches up with u eventually even if its not right away.. This is all in CS 1.5 btw.. Hack detection in STEAM Sux.. I have never in my life see ppl hak so freely on so many steam servers it makes me sick.

So there ya be...
Hope that help everyone Relieing on anti-cheat stuff. It is a faulse sense of Security..

Btw, United Admins are from what I heard work on something all new for the anti-Cheat Movement or something..

We See....

[RAW_OmarBKhatab]

We use Admin Anti Cheat

What is Admin Anti Cheat?

It is when Admin SPEC possible hackers and ban them. That is the best possible anti hack.

[MagicShot]

We use Admin Anti Cheat

What is Admin Anti Cheat?

It is when Admin SPEC possible hackers and ban them. That is the best possible anti hack.

LMAO...

Yeah.. That can be true but ppl think my cousin hacks. and hes in the other coner of the room from me when we play I watched him. he doesnt hack either so.. its hit or miss.. this detections work as a more accurate way of detection. but doesnt catch everyone though...

Anther 2 cents....

[dieglhix_]

so guyz didnt u noticed that vac has finished of updating on cs 1.6 ??

[Realitive_Context]

i like good old fashion admining

You Hack, We hack You
You come back we hack you again
You come back we hack you again
You come back we get your i.p and post it on the 1337 HAXOR forums and the problem i solved.

[maariak]

i dont know if any1 posted this but when u hack on vac servers it doesn't stop u. it just bans u from the secure servers in 1 or 2 weeks. i prefer c-d

[BAILOPAN]

You bumped a thread that was ten months old to reply with something that made no sense.

You, sir, have my admiration, NAY, my respect, for this random and upsetting lack of foresight.

I salute you. I salute you.

[Poison_Jay]

*snip* seems to go pass VAC easily

[devicenull]

First off, don't post cheat names here.

Second, cheat != hack
Hacking requires skill.
Cheating requires a web browser.
Who do you think is getting caught here? The people who created their own cheats, or the people who downloaded them?

[[CCC]Taz-Devil]

I'm a specialist about anti-cheat.

VAC is a joke. Actually more than 100 cheats (Wallhack, aimbot, etc..) and 40 scripts (like anti-recoil, respawn, bug exploit) don't be detected by VAC.

The average cheat undetected by the VAC for the year 2004 is 25. (aimbot....)

Actually only 5 cheats don't be blocked by CD. Only Colored Model, Glow player... And CD blocked many CVARS using by scripts.

The average cheat undetected by the CD for the year 2004 is 4 cheats.

CD is the best Anti-Cheat. Why ? Because it use "Block Method", NOT detected a "string in memory" or windows' name :roll: like VAC.

HLGuard caught many cheater.

THe best way to play cool and safe ;)
- Cheating-Death + With good mediator (like BlackCD Mediator)
- HLGuard + ALias detection
- Good Admins

and TO play with cheater ...
VAC only :D

www.countercheat.com

[Nick]

Cheating Death sucks... Me and my brother used soo many hacks on sooo many cd servers... We dont play with hacks on Vac servers.

[[CCC]Taz-Devil]

lol,

Ohh ! it's true !! :shock: ouah you r a big cracker :attack:

Seriously, it's typical response, like "it's not me, it's my little brother"
Actually only Glowplayer, semi-WH,... are be CD-proof (4 cheats).

And CD blocks many many things !!!! most of Cheat-Maker stops to make a CD-proof' Cheat , it's too hard..

[Realitive_Context]

there is only 1 true hacker out there, bill gates , because in his windows-2000-xp versions in the eula it says
"You acknowledge and agree that Microsoft may automatically check the version of the Product and/or its components that you are utilizing and may provide upgrades or fixes to the Product that will be automatically downloaded to your Workstation Computer."

BE VERY CARE FULL BILL GATES MIGHT BE MONITERING YOUR PORN DOWNLOADS!


I got rid of windows, i sugest you do the same. sad that steam doesent work on linux tho/

[Bad HAL 9000]

I am going to tell you all right now.

VAC is complete crap. It is easily bypassed and for people that program cheats it may as well not even be there.

HLGuard is a complete joke. Im not even going to get into it.

CD is by far the most effective anticheat tool, yes its a UA thing. But its much more diffuclt to bypass C-D stuff then it is VAC.

Use CD if you want to deter cheaters. Use VAC if you dont know what your doing, and if your a complete idiot and are still drinking from a warm bottle of milk then use HLGUard.

[Peli]

Want the ultimate anti-cheat program? Became a cheater! Now you can detect cheaters because you are a cheater!

[Bad HAL 9000]

X-Spectate. tabris wrote that, very nifty proggy

[Tweek]

I say CD is best, but the only reason it is is beacuse it has wallhack block.

[Freaky frank]

Cheating Death is the best

Wanna now why ?

Look at this site with all anticheat tools en see how affective.

All VAC servers all full of wallhax

C-D blocks every cheat just look.

*snip*

[twistedeuphoria]

rofl...so thats a list of every hack that exists?

[f1del1ty.oXi]

no way that can be all of them, that's only like 50. =\

[Pain]

Cheating Death is the best

Wanna now why ?

Look at this site with all anticheat tools en see how affective.

All VAC servers all full of wallhax

C-D blocks every cheat just look.

*snip*
I don't really understand the chart. The one with the skulls mean that it blocks it? And the ones with that are "locked" means that you can use that hack with that anti-cheat tool?

[manorastroman]

skull = detected
lock = undetected
? = unknown

[devicenull]

Freaky frank, first and only warning, do not post links to sites with cheats.

[XxAvalanchexX]

VAC:
This is okay, and if you get caught your are banned from every VAC server for an entire year. However, due to the fact that you get banned for an entire year, they can't put an iffy detection in there. You don't want someone getting banned for a year because they ran their own version of Winamp, I seriously doubt VALVe wants to deal with things like that. Therefore it will not catch as many hacks.

Cheating-Death:
All I can tell it that it hides hl.exe process from external programs, ie: I can't open up TSearch (a memory editor) and look for values in hl.exe when I have Cheating-Death running. Most wallhacks use memory editing to grab the values of where players are and then incorporate it onto your screen. If they can't access the memory, then it won't work. Tada. However, it's quite possible that it just hides the process and is still easily grabbable, and there are other types of hacks out there anyway.

HLGuard:
I was once on a HLGuard server, and I looked in my console and it said something of the following: "Starting config check: could not exec ogc.cfg...could not exec ninja.cfg...could not exec somenameofpopularhackingconfighere.cfg....end ing config check" So, if you happen to have a file named "ninja.cfg" in your folder, you'll probably be banned. Not a very great way to do it, but a way. I'm sure it does other things, but I'm not sure which.

Conclusion:
They all suck.

[Ghost of Infamous]

I'm going to simplify this. Anything/Everything made by UA is complete shit. Let me elaborate.

UA is worthless. Their existence is a taint, not only "a stain in the gaming industry" but the anatomical area between..well, you know.


Well, alright, maybe I take this too far but HLG and CD suck.

[kingpin]

I'm going to simplify this. Anything/Everything made by UA is complete shit. Let me elaborate.

UA is worthless. Their existence is a taint, not only "a stain in the gaming industry" but the anatomical area between..well, you know.


Well, alright, maybe I take this too far but HLG and CD suck.

I look at you again and ask you again where is this better thing that you compare to UA's cd? there isn't any so please stop talking about things that you already lost the argument on ;) I told you last time unless you can code something better dont talk crap about something that someone else atleast spent some time on.

[Ghost of Infamous]

Oh, now I know I suck. I can list the reasons and name a better use, VAC. It isn't great, but it's all we've got.

-CD is annoying and laggy (The [N0-CD] Tag it adds)
-HLG is more useless than anything, causes lag with alias scans
-HLG is unsightly but at least it's under new management (www.thezproject.net)

Meh, but yeah, there's not much else to do.

[intsteve]

Actually Cheating Death is much more effective than VAC.

1. It scares hackers away
2. Update Regulary
3. Not many hacks are design to use for C-D
4. Most hacks usually past VAC easily

[devicenull]

Actually Cheating Death is much more effective than VAC.

1. It scares hackers away
2. Update Regulary
3. Not many hacks are design to use for C-D
4. Most hacks usually past VAC easily

Thanks.
1: False.
2: Sure, who cares?
3: Wrong.
4: True.