[redivcram]

Let's use a 'Hello World' as an example, printing a message in console on connect. Which is more efficient? An actual amxx plugin that does that or a metamod plugin (module)?

[Neeeeeeeeeel.-]

Metamod modules will always be faster.

[redivcram]

Great then.

[addons_zz]

Originally Posted by Neeeeeeeeeel.- Metamod modules will always be faster.

Be careful when saying always. Because you can always write crap code on Deterministic Turing Machines languages.
It is mathematically proved, does not matter how you try to create a super language, if the language is Turing Machines based, and the programmer want to, he may always write crap code.
So, a bad coded module to print "Help world!" or whatever other code, would be slower than a well coded AMXX plugin.

[Solokiller]

Unless you're writing some Java-like abstract factory instantiation code to create a hello world printer, C/C++ will always be faster than Pawn scripts. The code required to print to console in a script encompasses everything that is needed in a C/C++ program that does that, and then some.

[Craxor]

Originally Posted by redivcram Great then.

Metamod it's more faster, but it's useles depends on what you're trying to do. If you think that's will motivate you to learn metamod coding you're wrong. And also doing hard stuffs with metamod when you can make them with amxx scripting it's realy wrong.

[addons_zz]

Originally Posted by Craxor Metamod it's more faster, but it's useles depends on what you're trying to do. If you think that's will motivate you to learn metamod coding you're wrong. And also doing hard stuffs with metamod when you can make them with amxx scripting it's realy wrong.

That is the point the AMXX, to keep things faster and easier to code. The same applies to your computer programs.
You do not need a Operating System as Windows, Linux, Mac OS, to run programs on your computer.
You can write programs to run straight you the computer's machine hardware.

But guess what, who does write code run on an pure machine?
Microsoft does that. Linux and Mac OS too.

But what they do?
A programmer friendly program (Called Operating System) which allows ordinary computer programmers to easily create and run programs on it.
So, instead of the computer programmer to deal by himself within the computer machine hardware, they write code to run on a friendly interface system program called Operating System.

Then some folks like to write code to Windows OS, other to Linux, others like to write code able to run on both platforms Also Know As the program which allows to run programs on it (using the Operating System API) to control the hardware as your computer monitor screen, printer, hard-disk, etc, instead of let the programmer to deal with the hardware by himself every time he want to do something as put a text on the screen.
So, the programmer just needs to call the operating system to do it. Which is several degrees easier to the programmer, then to deal with the hardware every time.

[PRoSToTeM@]

Originally Posted by addons_zz That is the point the AMXX, to keep things faster and easier to code.

Current pawn is easy language, but not fast to write code and not good to read code, we need SourcePawn C#-like transitional syntax in Pawn to code faster and easier to read (and also it has more beautiful code). Also we need more comfortable functions/syntax to work with math vectors (in C++/C# you can use operator overloading for them).

[fysiks]

Originally Posted by PRoSToTeM@ Current pawn is easy language, but not fast to write code and not good to read code, we need SourcePawn C#-like transitional syntax in Pawn to code faster and easier to read (and also it has more beautiful code). Also we need more comfortable functions/syntax to work with math vectors (in C++/C# you can use operator overloading for them).

That is entirely an opinion. There is nothing preventing you from writing good, readable code in Pawn and doing it quickly.

C++ and C# are higher level languages. There are tradeoffs for using higher level languages. There is no way to say that one language is better than another. There may be some languages better suited to specific use cases.

[PRoSToTeM@]

Originally Posted by fysiks There is nothing preventing you from writing good, readable code in Pawn and doing it quickly.

Try write good and readable code that use math vectors in Pawn quickly. This is neither readable nor quickly to write.

For example, in C++ with Vector class:

PHP Code:

pev->origin + gpGlobals->v_forward * 10 


And in AMXX Pawn with XS Library:

PHP Code:

new Float:origin[3];
pev(ent, pev_origin, origin);

new Float:forward[3];
global_get(glb_v_forward, forward);
xs_vec_mul_scalar(forward, 10.0, forward);

xs_vec_add(origin, forward, origin); 


1 line vs 6 lines (not quickly) and in Pawn we can't see clear formula (not readable). But that is very simple example...

Also you can use array returning functions, but this is also not readable and not quickly to write:

PHP Code:

VectorAdd(PevVec(clientEntIndex, pev_origin), VectorScale(AngleVector(PevVec(clientEntIndex, pev_v_angle), ANGLEVECTOR_FORWARD), 64.0)) 


Original formula:

PHP Code:

MakeVectors(v_angle)
origin + forward * 64 


Another example: try to write code using structures via enums. There are problems with enums like problem with tagging or problem with field naming.